Obama bows to the Saudi king and kisses his ring, like a good Muslim servant. In other news, 21 American sailors were kidnapped today by Muslim pirates. Thomas Jefferson knew what to do, but I doubt Obama will have the balls, let alone the brain or patriotism…
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21 american kidnaped, but Millions of Muslims die daily in Phalestine and Iraq because of jews and christinas, so stop bein’ fuckin’ racist.
you freakin racist. How about the folk gunned down in US schools and other shootouts? did u ever call them christian terrorists? get your head out of your stinkin ass.
How do you equate following the rules of diplomacy with muslim pirates who have nothing to do with the Saudi royal family. That’s like saying don’t bow to the Queen of England because irish terrorists set off a bomb that also happened to kill american tourists. Your logic is non existant.
The Queen of England and Irish terrorists have nothing in common, lgc. Your analogy makes no sense.
The Saudi King, a MUSLIM man, and MUSLIM pirate, however, have a little more in common.
Anonymous #1:
//21 american kidnaped, but Millions of Muslims die daily in Phalestine and Iraq because of jews and christinas, so stop bein’ fuckin’ racist.//
And yours is not a racist comment at all, my hypocritical friend, is that right? Ignoring your baseless and very racist Jews and Christians remark, “Millions of Muslims die daily”?
Do you know *anything* about what’s going on in the Middle East, or are you really this ignorant? Why do uninformed people like you keep talking about events they clearly know absolutely nothing about?
Oh right, you’re an Islamic radical sympathizer. Hypocrisy and making up facts is second nature to you guys. I forgot.
Tinct i want to mention this to u, every action has its own equal & opposite reaction, as some one commented first bowing to saudi king, i don’t think so as well, actually prisident obama gave respect to the king as he is the custodian of both mosque, and a leader who is from other faith.
its not like US bowed to muslim world. now i am correcting words, what about people dying in palestine..
Tinct, you say Queen/ Irish terrorist have nothing in common, they are both born in Great Britain, they are both british people and both are christian.
Muslim king – Muslim terrorist
British Queen – British terrorist
It is quite logical, just because someone is from the same country or religion as a terrorist or criminal does not make them automatically culpable of the perpetrators crime, that would be like me saying that the current leader of germany is guilty of all the attacks made by neo nazis in his country or elsewhere, now that logic is flawed.
Siraj- terrorists dying in Palestine has no bearing at all on this article. And I’ve had so many discussions with radical Islam terrorist sympathizers like yourself that I have absolutely no interest in starting up another one, because you all spew the same tired, contorted, and disproven propaganda all the time. And out of respect for JJ, I am not going to argue about something here that’s irrelevant to his article.
If you want to talk about Palestinians, look up my articles and take your pick. I’ll gladly prove you wrong there, where it’s relevant.
lgc- JJ is not calling the king of Saudi Arabia a terrorist, though whether or not he is remains to be determined. It’s my belief that Somali pirates are hijacking ships in order to make money, not just because of Islam. So while Somali pirates don’t necessarily have a connection to the king of Saudi Arabia, the king is still a despicable person. He keeps his people living in squalor while he lives in a palace of gold. His government is virulently anti-Western and anti-Semitic. Our oil dollars go to his government, which they in turn turn over to terrorists. And Saudi Arabia is based on Islamic theocracy, which, if we are to take any example of Islamic theocracy from today or any point in history, never leads anywhere good and only spells pain and suffering for those who are not in power.
lgc- And no, I’m sorry, but your analogy is still lacking sense. Even if the Saudi king is a supporter of terrorism, I think the British queen is a far cry from being a terrorist. Has she funded campaigns with the sole intention of slaughtering innocent people? Does she seek to reap fear in the hearts of anyone who doesn’t think as she does?
To Tinct, jj and you have emphasized that the king and pirates are muslim as though that has any signifigance on diplomacy, jj seems to suggest that the king is responsible for the pirates, which is moronic, just because they are both muslim doesn’t make the king involved, that is why I pointed out that both the queen and an ira member are both british and christians, and as you pointed out, the queen has sod all to do with a terrorist killing innocents, so to put the question back to both you and jj, what does the fact that the saudi king being muslim have to do with pirates? Here’s another one for you, as the ira terrorists in ireland will tell you they are catholic, does that mean we should hold the pope responsible? jj’s comment seems little more than a snide jab at your current president, who let’s face it has been left with a complete mess to sort out. Anyway, the bow, etc is called diplomacy, not being obesiant, it’s the same as someone from another country going to the whitehouse, you wouldn’t expect them to go, “yo, pres, how’s it hanging” and then wipe his ass with the stars and stripes, you would however expect them to behave with the courtesy that is expected towards the president.
I was going to say what lgc said, oh the frustration. I would add that Pres. Obama is putting forward a humility and a diplomatic chic that the US has been lacking for too long. It is not surprising you are shocked by his good manners and political nouse (common sense).
Now, not wanting to be a victim of Poes Law, is JJ serious about this video or is this really poking fun at people who could react that way? I mean, I thought it was just a bit of fun when i first saw it.
As per usual. A discussion instigated by a “troll” who successfully managed to antagonise those whom it seems just love to argue.
This is ‘sposed to be about Obama’s address of an Arab regent, but somehow has descended into the ph uking race riot or whatever religous club you belong to. Jack Daniels and cocaine. all the way
Read further than the first couple of posts Nikolai Dante. Good mixture tho
lgc- please read my comment in its entirety before responding. The King has nothing to do with pirates. I already acknowledged this.
Think about social graces for one moment; where, in any culture in any point of history in any part of the world, is bowing to someone without receiving a bow in return not a sign of obedience or submission? After Obama left SA, all the Arab news stations were roaring; some called him a Muslim because of that bow while others ridiculed him for kissing ass.
R E D- “I was going to say what lgc said, oh the frustration. I would add that Pres. Obama is putting forward a humility and a diplomatic chic that the US has been lacking for too long.”
I’m sorry, but I can’t see how that’s a serious statement. Are you being funny? What humility do we owe to Saudi Arabia, of all countries?
“It is not surprising you are shocked by his good manners and political nouse (common sense).”
Hey, no worries. I don’t find it surprising that an Obamaton such as yourself is shocked at the idea of not treating a criminal terrorist dictator like he’s your superior. Everyone deserves a chance at peace, right? Even if they fund the slaughtering of innocent people. Right?
Siraj- still waiting on you to legitimize your nonsense about Palestinians.
Tinct, you wrote, “Think about social graces for one moment; where, in any culture in any point of history in any part of the world, is bowing to someone without receiving a bow in return not a sign of obedience or submission?”
When you bow to the Queen of england you recognise her as the head of the royal family in britian and as the head of the church of england and she does not bow in return.
Tinct, you wrote, “I’m sorry, but I can’t see how that’s a serious statement. Are you being funny? What humility do we owe to Saudi Arabia, of all countries?”
I think I understand his point, for one the saudi king is a supporter of the west in many ways not to mention the fact that britian and america have used his country as a staging post(with his permission) to attack forces ranged against the west, also bear in mind where your low price fuel comes from. The west has a lot of reasons to be gratefull to the saudi nation.
Tinct, again, “Hey, no worries. I don’t find it surprising that an Obamaton such as yourself is shocked at the idea of not treating a criminal terrorist dictator like he’s your superior. Everyone deserves a chance at peace, right? Even if they fund the slaughtering of innocent people. Right?”
Where do you get the idea that the saudi king is a criminal terrorist dictator? You seem to have you facts confused. In an earlier statement you even suggested he was not involved in terrorists.
You seem to desire only respect for the us customs without giving respect to the customs in other countries, when this is pointed out like for like you refute the similarities.
You also fail to recognise what other countries have done for your country yet demand recognition for what your country has done(A good example of your countries insulting behavior to the truth is the film “U-571″ in which your countrie’s movie industry dishonored the name of english heroes by claiming it was americans not english who were there)
There is nothing wrong with standing up for your country to be strong, be respected, etc, but you need to respect other countries as well otherwise you face being on your own and history has shown time and again with the phonecians, egyptians, romans, british, russians, all of these have had empires and have lost them, you might not recognise empire america as is, but I guarrantee that if your countries arrogance to others continues all that will be left is the countries of washington, alabama, etc. And yes no doubt now you will deride this that I have wrote but then people like you existed in all those other empires to and they all tasted the bitter fruit of reality, so deride away and let history prove the truth.
4cst:
“You seem to have you facts confused. In an earlier statement you even suggested he was not involved in terrorists.”
I never said any such thing. What I said was that he has no relation to Somali pirates. A good sum of our oil dollars that Saudi Arabia takes in goes towards funding Islamic terror groups.
“When you bow to the Queen of england you recognise her as the head of the royal family in britian and as the head of the church of england and she does not bow in return.”
Exactly. She does not bow in return because she is, in that context, your superior. Besides, the Queen of England is incomparable to the Saudi King. A man who funds terror and lives in a palace of gold while his people live in poverty is hardly worth bowing to. It’s quite distressing that Obama sees this man as somebody deserving of his respect, but then again, he seems to see everyone in that light, such as Ahmadinejad.
“You seem to desire only respect for the us customs without giving respect to the customs in other countries, when this is pointed out like for like you refute the similarities.
You also fail to recognise what other countries have done for your country yet demand recognition for what your country has done”
Erroneous. We’ve only been talking about Saudi Arabia, which *hardly* sets any moral standard. If you’re going to make unsolicited judgments about my world view, do yourself a favor and wait until you’ve seen my opinion on more than just one country.
“but I guarrantee that if your countries arrogance to others continues all that will be left is the countries of washington, alabama, etc”
First, I have no idea what you mean by ‘countries of washington and alabama’. Second, what arrogance? And third, you sound dangerously close to preaching multiculturalism, which is the toxic ideology that’s responsible for how close Britain and several other European countries are to declaring Shariah law. Tolerance is fine. But there’s a huge difference between tolerance and turning your country into a doormat for other cultures to wipe their feet on in the name of “tolerance”. The US needs tolerance like any country, but it also needs to foster a sense of cultural pride if it wants to survive, just like any country.
Sorry Tinct but there is a context there. Either way, humility is not a matter of being owed. Humility is simply a state of being but that is maybe off topic.
You are right with regard multiculturism, it looked good on paper so long as you knew nothing about people or culture and is perhaps now so far gone as to make sanity irritrievable, still not the point.
Seeing as this is considered a serious argument (something I just could not believe initially), I will treat it as such. You do not get anything from anybody by upsetting them. It stands to reason that the bow is simply to keep the saudies in a talking, amenable mood, otherwise it is a long flight to return saying “We landed but he told us to fuck off as I had no manners.”
Furthermore, I am probably not gonna get away with not bowing to the British Queen even though I am not a royalist AND do not recognise her as my superior. You speak of ‘cultural pride’, let us hope you do not mistake pride for arrogance and humility for weakness.
Tinct, It seems like yoy have tunnel vision.
You bow to queens, ergo you bow to kings.
You say about him living in comfort whilst some of his on people live in squalor, have you ever been to washington, I have and trust me only a few streets from the white house and you find yourself in a world of desperation and poverty.
You cannot hold the head of state of a country responsible for everything that the people he leads does, if that were the case england could have arrested the us president for all the money that was raised by some of the us citizens to fund ira terrorists.
The us unfortunately has a reputation of being ignorant of other cultures whilst expecting their own culture to be held in regard(I has experianced some of this personally).
Try to reread what I said regarding history and then put it into context, that is why I deliberatly used the wording country not state.
No, I don’t believe in multiculturism, but I also don’t believe in stomping on someone because of relgion,etc.
How do you define cultural pride for the us, bearing in mind that your country is essentially made up of the desendants of immigrants from all over the world? Would you allow you cultural identity to be based on that of the black community?
To R E Degarian, i’m not a royalist either, as you yourself would agree, when it is the custom, that is what you do, just as in any country, you don’t offend those who live their just because they do some things differently.
4cst: Your last paragraph…I just said that. Is there something I am not following in your addressing of me?
My main reason for taking issue with Obama’s bow is because it’s a symbol of humbling oneself and submission to a man who more likely than not helps fund terror cells and perpetuates the slaughter of innocent people. That is not okay, no matter how important it is to portray good manners and humility. My interpretation of the basic act of bowing to another is one of submission and that’s probably how it’s going to stay.
The matter of America’s ‘melting pot’ is off-topic, but since you brought it up; yes, I know that America was built from the ground up by immigrants. That does not mean we can’t have our own cultural pride.
R E D: I never said anything about ‘stomping on someone’s religion’, so I don’t know how you inferred that.
‘American cultural pride’ is a tricky term. The closest definition I can come up for it is more of a litotes; the US should not be so tolerant as to begin making special accommodations for any one culture. This is what the politically correct lawmakers in Britain did, and now they’re paying for it. America should take pride in the fact that it allows more than one culture, but at the same time hold all cultures to the same laws and rules. If someone is offended by a cross in a hospital, for instance, or a Muslim bus driver wants to pull his passenger-loaded bus over in the middle of transit in order to pray, tough luck; the cross stays, and the bus driver keeps on driving until the end of his shift, when he’s free to strip naked and run through the streets quoting Shakespeare if the mood so strikes him.
To R E Degarian, No there’s nothing you’re not following, I should have been clearer, what I mean’t to have done was agree with you as regards not being a royalist, etc, and then expanding your comment with my opinion in reference towards Tinct
To Tinct, in this case the bow is not about humbling oneself, but rather that of recognising the leader of the country of which you are visiting. An example is the fact that when the president walks into the same room as you, you stand up and you do not sit until he has sat down, that is recognising his authority as president, commander in chief, and leader of the united states. Whether you consider him your superior or even a good man is irrelevant.
In the question as to whether he is funding terrorism or not, firstly you have no evidence of it and as a result as your legal system says innocent until proven guilty, let’s face it, it’s not exactly as though all of your past presidents have been good.
With regards to cultural pride, I agree that the lawmakers in britain have fucked up in certain regards, but when you say that american policy has not been altered to allow special treatment of certain societies i’m afraid that’s false, examples such as different states having different ruls apply to gun ownership for one, another is the mormon state of utah, or how about california where the law regarding adultery is essentially a non issue, in new york in the jewish area there are specialised police officers who have to deal with law breaking within certain strictures due to jewish law(I.E. not all suspicious deaths can be autopsied dependant on the circumstances)and the list goes on and on.
Tinct: did not infer that, I think you will find it was someone else.
4cst: Thanks. I can’t see the point of persuing this discussion when people are polarised beyond sensible consideration of common sense. If people believe that swallowing some pride (even if it were that) was not worthwhile in persuit of peacefull dialogue, they have lost their perspective.
You only have to check out The Amazing Atheists’ (on youtube) take on this whole issue to see the hypocrisy in the media and by the look of it in the public.
My last comment on this topic: I know when I am flogging a dead horse.
R E D: My bad, that was 4cst.
4cst: Again, I did not say “american policy has not been altered to allow special treatment of certain societies”. On the contrary, I believe that American policy has made way too many concessions to make all religions happy. People who move to a country should be ready to accept the law of the land and understand that their religion/culture/minority does not deserve more attention than any other group. I’ve never heard about police officers in NY doing their duty in accordance with Jewish law, but I agree that it is a little questionable. The same (in fact, much more) goes for the Muslims who move to the US and then demand that their employers give them breaks to pray 5 times a day, that hospitals remove all crosses and Christian paraphernali, that if they work in grocery stores they do not have to ring up alcohol or pork, and if they are a cab driver they do not have to pick up people with alcohol or dogs. They are, in essence, demanding that American society adheres to aspects of Shariah law so that they are not offended.
That is why I stress pride in one’s culture. Religious groups like Jews and Hindus and Buddhists and Bah’hai most likely aren’t out to subjugate America through a cultural war, but there will always be someone who is.
what does anyone want? Blame who? people die every day. Cast blame over in Africa. I did not see or hear about a Israeli soldier being there. People there are sick and opressed. The aide rarely helps and the government hardley cares for the people.
Even Muslim counties rule by mobs and fear. How can one live in that? Not once will I go for that. If you don’t want to handle pork, don’t become a cash registar person and don’t drive a cab if someone might become intoxicated and put a no pets allowed on the cab.
Do not force your religion on our country or your culture; you moved into the US and should learn the moral values behind the US.
World Conflict will continue as long as leaders continue to hate and battle for pieces of land that have some value to the people or the people hate the other over the past. nothing can change that. The Queen? Bush? Reagan? Clinton? Leaders of some issue/conflict they handled and some people did not like.
Tinct says:
I’m sorry, but I can’t see how that’s a serious statement. Are you being funny? What humility do we owe to Saudi Arabia, of all countries?
My answer is that the OIL humility is the one that US owe to Saudi Arabia, since for your information SA sells it for USA at a “Friendly price”, in fact without SA you will kill each other for the sake of a galon of Gasoline.
You’re talking about gratefulness, not humility. As long as America keeps buying oil from SA (and indirectly helping SA as well as many other Arab oil countries to fund Islamic terror groups), SA will be happy. I still fail to see what humility the US should feel in the presence of SA. SA has definitely not one-upped the US on anything except moral depravity.
Anonyme says:My answer is that the OIL humility is the one that US owe to Saudi Arabia, since for your information SA sells it for USA at a “Friendly price”, in fact without SA you will kill each other for the sake of a galon of Gasoline.
I’m sorry, but i’m with Tinct on that comment, The usa owes no humility to sa, when i’ve written i’ve been on about respect for another cultures ways of recognising the head of state.
As regards his other comments that’s another story.