My answer is that the OIL humility is the one that US owe to Saudi Arabia, since for your information SA sells it for USA at a “Friendly price”, in fact without SA you will kill each other for the sake of a galon of Gasoline.

4cst: Again, I did not say “american policy has not been altered to allow special treatment of certain societies”. On the contrary, I believe that American policy has made way too many concessions to make all religions happy. People who move to a country should be ready to accept the law of the land and understand that their religion/culture/minority does not deserve more attention than any other group. I’ve never heard about police officers in NY doing their duty in accordance with Jewish law, but I agree that it is a little questionable. The same (in fact, much more) goes for the Muslims who move to the US and then demand that their employers give them breaks to pray 5 times a day, that hospitals remove all crosses and Christian paraphernali, that if they work in grocery stores they do not have to ring up alcohol or pork, and if they are a cab driver they do not have to pick up people with alcohol or dogs. They are, in essence, demanding that American society adheres to aspects of Shariah law so that they are not offended.

That is why I stress pride in one’s culture. Religious groups like Jews and Hindus and Buddhists and Bah’hai most likely aren’t out to subjugate America through a cultural war, but there will always be someone who is.

4cst: Thanks. I can’t see the point of persuing this discussion when people are polarised beyond sensible consideration of common sense. If people believe that swallowing some pride (even if it were that) was not worthwhile in persuit of peacefull dialogue, they have lost their perspective.

You only have to check out The Amazing Atheists’ (on youtube) take on this whole issue to see the hypocrisy in the media and by the look of it in the public.

My last comment on this topic: I know when I am flogging a dead horse.

The matter of America’s ‘melting pot’ is off-topic, but since you brought it up; yes, I know that America was built from the ground up by immigrants. That does not mean we can’t have our own cultural pride.

R E D: I never said anything about ‘stomping on someone’s religion’, so I don’t know how you inferred that.

‘American cultural pride’ is a tricky term. The closest definition I can come up for it is more of a litotes; the US should not be so tolerant as to begin making special accommodations for any one culture. This is what the politically correct lawmakers in Britain did, and now they’re paying for it. America should take pride in the fact that it allows more than one culture, but at the same time hold all cultures to the same laws and rules. If someone is offended by a cross in a hospital, for instance, or a Muslim bus driver wants to pull his passenger-loaded bus over in the middle of transit in order to pray, tough luck; the cross stays, and the bus driver keeps on driving until the end of his shift, when he’s free to strip naked and run through the streets quoting Shakespeare if the mood so strikes him.

I never said any such thing. What I said was that he has no relation to Somali pirates. A good sum of our oil dollars that Saudi Arabia takes in goes towards funding Islamic terror groups.

“When you bow to the Queen of england you recognise her as the head of the royal family in britian and as the head of the church of england and she does not bow in return.”

Exactly. She does not bow in return because she is, in that context, your superior. Besides, the Queen of England is incomparable to the Saudi King. A man who funds terror and lives in a palace of gold while his people live in poverty is hardly worth bowing to. It’s quite distressing that Obama sees this man as somebody deserving of his respect, but then again, he seems to see everyone in that light, such as Ahmadinejad.

“You seem to desire only respect for the us customs without giving respect to the customs in other countries, when this is pointed out like for like you refute the similarities.
You also fail to recognise what other countries have done for your country yet demand recognition for what your country has done”

Erroneous. We’ve only been talking about Saudi Arabia, which *hardly* sets any moral standard. If you’re going to make unsolicited judgments about my world view, do yourself a favor and wait until you’ve seen my opinion on more than just one country.

“but I guarrantee that if your countries arrogance to others continues all that will be left is the countries of washington, alabama, etc”

First, I have no idea what you mean by ‘countries of washington and alabama’. Second, what arrogance? And third, you sound dangerously close to preaching multiculturalism, which is the toxic ideology that’s responsible for how close Britain and several other European countries are to declaring Shariah law. Tolerance is fine. But there’s a huge difference between tolerance and turning your country into a doormat for other cultures to wipe their feet on in the name of “tolerance”. The US needs tolerance like any country, but it also needs to foster a sense of cultural pride if it wants to survive, just like any country.

Tinct, you wrote, “I’m sorry, but I can’t see how that’s a serious statement. Are you being funny? What humility do we owe to Saudi Arabia, of all countries?”
I think I understand his point, for one the saudi king is a supporter of the west in many ways not to mention the fact that britian and america have used his country as a staging post(with his permission) to attack forces ranged against the west, also bear in mind where your low price fuel comes from. The west has a lot of reasons to be gratefull to the saudi nation.

Tinct, again, “Hey, no worries. I don’t find it surprising that an Obamaton such as yourself is shocked at the idea of not treating a criminal terrorist dictator like he’s your superior. Everyone deserves a chance at peace, right? Even if they fund the slaughtering of innocent people. Right?”
Where do you get the idea that the saudi king is a criminal terrorist dictator? You seem to have you facts confused. In an earlier statement you even suggested he was not involved in terrorists.

You seem to desire only respect for the us customs without giving respect to the customs in other countries, when this is pointed out like for like you refute the similarities.
You also fail to recognise what other countries have done for your country yet demand recognition for what your country has done(A good example of your countries insulting behavior to the truth is the film “U-571″ in which your countrie’s movie industry dishonored the name of english heroes by claiming it was americans not english who were there)
There is nothing wrong with standing up for your country to be strong, be respected, etc, but you need to respect other countries as well otherwise you face being on your own and history has shown time and again with the phonecians, egyptians, romans, british, russians, all of these have had empires and have lost them, you might not recognise empire america as is, but I guarrantee that if your countries arrogance to others continues all that will be left is the countries of washington, alabama, etc. And yes no doubt now you will deride this that I have wrote but then people like you existed in all those other empires to and they all tasted the bitter fruit of reality, so deride away and let history prove the truth.

Think about social graces for one moment; where, in any culture in any point of history in any part of the world, is bowing to someone without receiving a bow in return not a sign of obedience or submission? After Obama left SA, all the Arab news stations were roaring; some called him a Muslim because of that bow while others ridiculed him for kissing ass.

R E D- “I was going to say what lgc said, oh the frustration. I would add that Pres. Obama is putting forward a humility and a diplomatic chic that the US has been lacking for too long.”

I’m sorry, but I can’t see how that’s a serious statement. Are you being funny? What humility do we owe to Saudi Arabia, of all countries?

“It is not surprising you are shocked by his good manners and political nouse (common sense).”

Hey, no worries. I don’t find it surprising that an Obamaton such as yourself is shocked at the idea of not treating a criminal terrorist dictator like he’s your superior. Everyone deserves a chance at peace, right? Even if they fund the slaughtering of innocent people. Right?

Siraj- still waiting on you to legitimize your nonsense about Palestinians.