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1. The one and only business model for Apple is narcissism. Its true. And for what its worth, the only “geniuses” that work for Apple are the members of their marketing team, because holy hell, we all know that the best way to sell a product in this day and age, especially to Americans, is to patronize their self-righteous beliefs.There are only 2 types of people that buy a Mac:
1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general
Either way, people who are confident enough in their knowledge, self-image, and skills rarely find it truly necessary (or justifiable) to buy one of these disgustingly over-priced machines. Which brings us to…
2. Macs are ridiculously overpriced. Not only do you get much less for your money when you buy ANY type of Macintosh computer compared to your other options, but you get royally screwed whenever you want any halfway-decent Mac machine. Compare 17-inch MacBook Pros starting at an astounding $2500 with thousands of 17-inch alternatives starting at just $599. This is partly because Apple price-fixes their products so drastically, but is mostly because they’d rather tell you what packages are available instead of letting you decide what works best for you. Hmm… what does that sound like?
3. Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends. Where to begin? Because of all the political (read: snobby) games that Steve Jobs gets involved with, most Macs still don’t have HDMI ports, eSATA ports, or BluRay drives, among other mainstream technology standards. Instead of HDMI, for example, they opt for out-of-date DVI ports (but of course only on the MacBook Pro models). This attitude is best summed up by Apple’s 2-decade-long push for world-wide FireWire data ports, which Apple finally dropped many years after its defeat to USB 2.0 was already obvious. (P.S. Apple invented FireWire…)
4. Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux. Its easy to assume that over 90% of Mac owners are not only unaware of this, but don’t have a clue what Linux is. Turns out that back in 1996, after Steve Jobs’ short-lived company NeXT stole its OS base from open-source (read: FREE) BSD Unix, it resold the now proprietary OS to Apple which then became OS X. Perhaps if OS X had the flexibility of Linux, or if Mac fanboys didn’t use Linux concepts (i.e. Terminal) as reasons to brag about OS X, there wouldn’t be so much smearing to do. (Warning: do NOT attempt ask any Mac fanboys about this, or they will ignore your question and start babbling about things like Firefox.)
5. There is no right-f*cking-click! Mac fanboys will respond to this by saying “actually you CAN get a 2-button mouse now!” but even when that is true, the EFFING RIGHT CLICK STILL DOESN’T DO ANYTHING. Oh, cool, I can copy and paste! Oh wait, but I can’t perform any other damn functions in Photoshop or otherwise. And crap, I forgot which combination of 5 keys I need to hold down for right click to work on my 1-button mouse? (Don’t even ask how to make the Delete button actually delete something…)
6. The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded. Again, where to begin?…
- The clock doesn’t display a date. That’s cool, cuz I only wanted to remind myself again that today is Monday.
- The Dock concept is cute, yet still, retarded. You not only can’t see any of the windows that you have minimized, but you also can’t truly adjust the way The Dock behaves or appears. According to Stan, its based on 1984 technology when only 1 program could run at a time. Pretty sweet.
- Trying to “X” out of a program doesn’t close it, it simply minimizes it. Just like the minimize button. Except it begins to kill your CPU after you’ve done it a few times by keeping programs running as ghosts. (Total genius.)
- Trying to alt-tab through your windows cycles through every single window of every single application one at a time instead of cycling between alternative applications (read: time-killer).
- Maximizing a window doesn’t actually maximize it. This is fun, cuz then I get to constantly click on things on the Desktop that I am definitely not interested in.
- Opening 100 images in the Mac image viewer opens 100 separate windows. (No comment.)
- You can’t drag files around to new destinations such as applications on The Dock or other directories without first preparing both source and destination windows so they are both visible. (Still, no comment.)
- etc, etc, etc
7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.) I thought I would dispel all the Mac lies in one sentence, so there you go. If you have ever tried to open Photoshop along with a few other programs on a Mac, you will know this frustration well. More often than not the little rainbow wheel will starting spinning like crazy – that, or your Mac will simply freeze. This is because Macs can’t handle multi-tasking very well (although the issue has been improving, according to some). What hasn’t been improving though is the increasing amount of viruses being found on Macs. Sure, we could play the word game and clarify the difference between trojans and viruses, but the point is that Macs are no safer than any other computer, especially since they ship with their firewall turned off.
8. Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best. This is not an overstatement. I am the first to admit that the iTunes/iPod combination is pretty tight (with AAC disabled!). But that’s about it. Mac Mail, iPhoto, GarageBand, iChat, Quicktime, and the rest of the bundled Mac software mostly just sucks, or is extremely limited in what it can do. Luckily some programs like VLC and CuteFTP have recently started to offer Mac versions of their software, but good luck trying to find Mac versions of most popular freeware. Not only that, but their claim that “no hunting for drivers is needed” is only true because barely any hardware is made for Macs! For example, only the Airport Extreme card works with Macs but other PCI cards will not. Thus, if someone needed 802.11a, they would need to buy a (very) costly Ethernet adapter.
9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs. All true gamers already know this, so it really doesn’t require much explanation. Let’s just say that GizModo’s latest check confirmed that this is still true, even on the most expensive graphics card that MacBook Pro currently offers.
10. Macs are not flexible or customizable. This is a vague way to end things, but mostly because its the only way to sum up all the things that are wrong with Macs. We’ve already seen that you can’t customize their hardware or software, and that you can’t even use the Linux functions that *should* be present on any Linux distro. But even within Mac’s little world itself, you can barely change any options on their OS, user interface, The Dock, directory layout, etc. But hey, as long as the only thing you want to do is change your desktop wallpaper to be the photo you took at the latest indie rock show you attended, then by all means, buy a Mac.
For being so “progressive” Apple sure does seem like one stubborn-ass company. Oh, and please note that hating Macs doesn’t make you a Windows fanboy. It just makes you a reasonable person. =)
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amen to this article. amen.
i’ve always had a mac and have a job where I work on a Windows computer.
A lot of what you are saying it not true. You should stick to the facts. That would make for a more useful article.
• The right click buttons does something. Ex. You can open, print, get info, duplicate, make alias, etc.
• I’m looking at my clock right now. It shows the day and time (where are you getting your info)
• The dock is adjustable
• clicking on the “X” closes the windows (not minimize the windows) just like in Windows.
• don’t understand what you are talking about here –> “You can’t drag things around to other places without first preparing both windows. (Still, no comment.)”
• I used to get freezes on my old mac when it was on OS 9. Ever since OS X (10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, etc), I honestly never had a crash. You should try a new mac. Sounds like you are talking about an old mac.
I don’t work for or own stock in Apple, so it doesn’t matter to me which computers you like. But, it would be more helpful for someone, if you stuck to the facts.
Good luck
This article is so inaccurate and one-sided. I have my gaming PC for entertainment and my MacBook Pro for school..and half the things said are taken to an extreme. It is obviously just to bash Macs and not to actually make a reasonable comparison. Whoever made this article has probably only tried to use a Mac once or twice, because half of these statements aren’t true.
written by a true retard
@Not True,
Your comments confirm that right click sucks, your clock doesn’t display the date, and that The Dock can only change width. Clicking the “X” might close windows but it keeps the program running. Re: dragging files, it means that you can’t drag files to The Dock or other windows, but rather have to align windows first to prepare for a drag. I’ve tried all types of Macs – laptops, g4 towers, and everything in between. These issues exist on them all.
@Bakari,
Way to prove the article wrong with vague responses and no evidence. Oh what’s that you say? Your “gaming PC”… why don’t you have a “gaming Mac” buddy? Oh wait, it’s because Macs suck.
1. Do you really believe that every-Mac user feels they are self-important? I could make the argument that the only people who buy PCs are people who seem to be much more tech-savvy, big into heavy customization, and elitist/condescending towards those who are not. While that may be true to some extent, it’s not an accurate reflection of the population. The same is true of your argument.
2. They are overpriced, I can’t disagree with you there.
3. Can’t say that I have need for any of those hardware options but Bluray drives can be purchased for Mac Pros. Apple also manufactures adapters for the new generations of laptops if you find you do need them (MiniDVI to HDMI, DVI, etc.)
4. OSX is based off UNIX, of which Linux is an offshoot.
5. Of course you can right click. Get one of the new touch-sensitive mice, ctrl+click if you have an older one-button Apple mouse, or plug in your own USB mouse. Right clicking in Photoshop also brings up the contextual menus for tools. http://tinyurl.com/y8n4zk8
6. You do realize that Windows continues to become more and more like OSX with each new OS release. Additionally, check out the myriad of Windows docks that are available from UI customization sites. Whether you like it or not is simply your preference. (Tip: use stacks!)
• The clock shows both day and time and if you click it, the month. I’m not sure what version of OSX you’re running. http://tinyurl.com/ycwavfd
• You can see windows of minimized programs in the dock. In addition there is a function key which allows you see every maximized window that you have opened for quick switching and the new click+hold (10.6) on a program in the dock will show you every window that a particular program has open.
• This is a dumb argument that can basically be boiled down to “Well Microsoft designed it this way so Apple should too.” Sorry for the extra “hassle” you have to go through to close a program.
• Alt-tabbing works the same way it does in windows: it cycles through programs. Again, what freaking version of the software are you using?
• Here’s 53 images opened at once in one Preview (the Mac image viewer) window. Or you can just use the space bar to preview a single photo and cycle through an entire folder using the arrow keys. http://tinyurl.com/y8zgrhr
• You CAN drag files to other windows. Simply hold the file over the other window until it brings the new window to the foreground. Or, if your second folder is buried under others, hit the function key that shows all windows and drag it over the one you want.
7. Sure there are viruses for Macs, but I have yet to get one. My Mac Pro runs perfectly after having it for two years now. Occasionally programs will lock up, but there is always the “Force Quit” option. I’m also not sure why you’re implying that Macs are less able to multitask than PCs either, as it’s pretty much hardware-based.
8. I’ve never had issues with software either. There are always alternatives to the most popular freeware providers. Not to mention the fact that you can always run Windows on your Mac via Boot Camp or VMWare Fusion if you find that there is software you can’t live without. It’s simple to set up the installation and to switch back and forth between operating systems. You can also set up Linux should you have the desire.
9. If you want a computer solely for playing games at their absolute highest settings, then without a doubt buy a PC. I’m running a 2.66 Quad-core Mac Pro with 6GB RAM and an Nvidia 8800GT and I play games on nearly highest settings with no problems. Even MMOs. As far as OSX-only gaming goes though, I’m sure your point is entirely valid.
10. They’re not AS customizable. You can still customize them. For interface tweaks look for third-party stuff, the same as you would for Windows. I’d recommend Candybar (http://www.panic.com/candybar/).
Hope this post is mostly free of typos and such.
Your review of why Macs suck is about as informative as…. well MS Windows is stable.
I was a MS / PC user for 15 years. And they have been selling the same old BS over and over to gullible twats who believe that yes the next version of Windows is better than the last. Trust me….my ass
I accept that price is higher on Apple products, but you pay for that when you get better quality.
Comparatively going from MS Vista -> Windows 7 is full price, while Leopard to Snow Leopard is like $30. Interesting hey?
I don’t know much about computers in general. i was hoping this article would give me some insight to apples computers since all i hear is the propaganda(although this article seems to be pc propaganda). seems to me that both mac’s, and pc’s have their pros and cons. guess i’ll go with the more affordable. question; is it the machine that makes the difference or the user?
well you really need to do you’re research again… in almost all aspects of this article, goes to show that you wintel fanboys no nothing
I agree that macs are overpriced turds, I’m forced to use them at UC Davis and they frequently crash whenever I try to use photoshop or windows parallel to get to autoCAD. To actually get my work done I have to fight to get on one of the few remaining PCs in my building, an aging Dell dimension which still has more power and functionality than the newest macs on campus. Pretty sad. I think mac users are bitter when they purchase these laptops for 2,500 dollars and then are forced to keep buying software (like parallels) and adapters to make them actually work like a basic $700 laptop. It is hype and (I hate to use the term) peer pressure that makes people buy macs. Not to mention, go talk to the people in line at the mac store and see how they feel about mac’s customer service…
@ bob why use parallel, if you have a copy of windows you can either boot camp it or us virtual box for free. and the cost of macs have dropped.
Mac’s rock, PC’s are junk. ‘nuf said.
Marcie, you’re as idiotic as the cretin who wrote this drivel(notice it’s unattributed to anyone), “nuf said”, pillocks.
This article is soooooo asss backwards its not even funny!!! lmao What OS do you use ???? I love every one of my mac’s that I own and have not had a problem in 16 years of ownership that was not justifiable, for the age of the machine. I run EVER OS out there… Backtrack 4 is my native boot up on my PC and I think the GUI In OSX is far superior to anything Microsoft has had out yet. There are limitations to what Mac’s can do YES, but everything has a place in the market. As far as industry standard, apples innovations often times lead to what is “industry standard”.. Please do not get the “CONSUMER industry STANDARD” confused with the professional commercial standards in the market. HDMI is NOT! industry standard in broadcast media and neither is esata. if you want true speed go Fibre Channel..
I think I can come up with 10 better reasons not to buy a mac, that are true and accurate.
My 10 reasons to buy a pc would even be more reasonable, accurate and based on facts, then your 10 reasons not to buy a mac.
@Mark, mac user, Marcie, Gracin, and Tink,
All 5 of you Mac owners have backed up everything this article argues with your vague, self-righteous insults that lack any evidence.
Congratulations. I’m… not surprised at all. Next?
@JJ
Did I not debunk half of your arguments with my post?
Man, YOU sound self-righteous. I agree, for some uses PC is better suited the a Mac, but i still think Mac has great advantages, the biggest being its stableness. The reason for this is very logical and simple, Apple designs all the hardware AND the OS. Microsoft only designs the OS, so there are a lot of problems in the integration between different manufactors hardware. Something that really bugged me was your complaint about FireWire… Firewire 800 is at least double de speed of USB 2.0, you SURELY don’t work with video. FireWire is essential for video editing. If you want to right click, its just ONE button, not FIVE, ctrl+click. No need at all for blu-ray! In any case, an external drive solve’s your problem. DVI is as good as HDMI.
Well, I’ve been using a Mac and PC together for a long time. I was using a HP mini back in the days before people came out with personal computers. The commodore and other such basic pcs were then out and bad and then came the Apple II which was just as good as the HP for writing. We had Unix computers too after that which were fantastic until someone in the Govt decided that they didn’t understand why we were using Unix boxes and one Monday morning, my Unix was literally taken off my desk and replace with a Windows box. Oh how we wailed and bashed our heads against the wall. During all this, life was made more bearable when the first Mac appeared in 84. We had Excel and Word and Pagemaker. Even though we had to use 3.5 disks to make everything work. But compared to Windows, the Mac was a breath of fresh air, even if it did look funny and had a small screen.
The arguments between whether Mac is better than Windows has been going on for a long long time. It will never stop. Sure, you can do some incredible things with a Windows box if you want to play games. If you want to use a computer as a workhorse and have a reasonable amount of security, then the Mac is a good machine. There have been much better machines built. Why are a larger number of govt depts using macs today when a few years ago they only used Windows boxes? Why have a large number of Universities switched back to Macs? It is an argument that isn’t going to go away. However, if you are going to report on a system and give reasons why that system is bad, then you really need to become honest with yourself, leave your own prejudices behind, and see why so many organisations have or are switching to Macs over windows boxes? Yes there are problems every now and again with a Mac, but there are also problems with Windows machines and for that matter with Unix computers as well. But when you give a comment on one particular make or type of computer, without comparing it with other types, then you are misleading your readers and you are being dishonest to them and to yourself. Sure you can buy a cheap windows computer. You can build one yourself probably even cheaper still. However, how long is it expected to last? What is the quality of the components that you put into that machine. Have components been copied by manufacturers from others and then built and sold for a cheaper price without all the R&D costs that the original designers put into it? Come on, its a complex issue. So why not look at all the areas and instead of criticizing a company that has held onto its designs and innovations against others and who continues to fight to keep their patents protected, have a closer look at the whole complex issue.
Everything in the article is true, but the main point is the beginning – two types of people that use macs. Morons who think they’re special for having a mac. Everything they say is inspired by this fundamental fact and therefore is completely irrelevant because these people simply refuse to see the simple truths and recognize how gullible and stupid they’ve been. Apart from macs, everything Apple makes is overpriced shit with obsolete technology, but their marketing scheme is truly magnificent – by ignoring the world and feeling very special about it they sell tons of it.
I have an iPod – shit
I’m writing this on a Mac – slow, pathetic, unbearably simple, obsolete, overpriced, unimaginative piece of shit I’d never have at home
But hey, I feel truly smart, refined and trendy using it. I have Apple products – I’m special like Steve Jobs.
And your comparing it to a pc I’m guessing, you should re-think your article and write it correctly.
This whole load of boring , trite garbage is easily solved, if you like mac, stay mac, if you like p.c, stay p.c, if you use both, ditto. Now can you all stop yapping about whose is bigger, you all sound like school boys claiming to have the biggest d**k, yawn, boring, grow up or f**k off.
hasty rants make for articles with no credible sources, citations or logical deductions. this opinionated article is a good laugh at a user who quite possibly has no other way of expressing his frustrations in life.
i don’t even like macs.
@Alex, lol, you are the best example of a Mac fanboy. Claiming that DVI is better than HDMI and saying that BluRay has no use. Absolutely amazing.
@foreigner, WORD.
@Samuel117 and yawn, you are also typical misinformed Mac fanboys. No further comment!
@Amdrew, wait, so you think Macs are a better workhorse even though they can’t multi-task for shit? Have you walked into any government department and seen Macs being widely used? Where the hell did you go? The only colleges that widely use Macs are art departments toward the goal of self-image, everyone else usually gets bulk deals on Dell nodes or otherwise. Yes, my comments are about one particular type of computer: shitty Macs. And no, they don’t last longer than PCs my brainwashed friend. It’s not a complex issue. You are in denial.
@Jay,
1. Yes I do. Not EVERY Mac owner. Just the vast majority of them.
2. I’m glad we agree.
3. You are right, Mac is totally willing to sell you an overpriced DVI-HDMI converter should you want one.
4. Okay, does that change anything?
5. Read my piece. Right clicking on Macs lacks the majority of functions that right clicking has on other platforms. For example, right clicking on an image title in Photoshop does not offer “image size” or “canvas size” on Macs.
6. Ummm… no. Evidence? Are you confirming Windows is customizable?
- clock doesn’t show date unless you click, exactly.
- you can see some minimized windows, yes that’s true. but they are not grouped and easily understandable as in other platforms.
- no, alt-tab is not the same as Windows. it cycles thru all open frames instead of rotating between applications.
- okay, yes, multiple images are in the same window with a few tricks. but you can’t open an image folder and easily rotate thru them, delete them, slideshow them, load them fast in general, etc.
- yes of course you can drag files, but not efficiently. try dragging a file down to a different program using The Dock, for example. you can’t.
7. I’m glad we agree.
8. Typical fanboy response. Yah, and you can run Linux on a PC as dual boot. What is your point exactly? Mac software still sucks, so why the hell would anyone buy a Mac to run Windows?
9. I’m glad we agree.
10. I’m glad we agree.
Wow – what I love the most about not only the article, but also your responses, is that you are filled with bitter vitriol and refuse to look at anything objectively. You congratulate anyone who agrees with you and piss on anyone who doesn’t, even when those who agree with you spew comments that are as inane and empty as those you piss on for championing your object of hatred. Hypocrisy thy name is Jay…?
You also have a very bizarre understanding of Macs, as many of your arguments are factually incorrect, and when people point this out to you, your rebuttal is an empty repetition of the same fact-lacking hot air.
That aside, I will respond to your comments one by one:
1) First off, to generalize all Mac owners into two insulting, and ridiculous categories shows immediately what to expect from the ‘article’: a platform to insult Macs and Mac users rather than to properly criticize them. Even if this were true (and I vehemently disagree with the idea – in fact, most PC users are equally narcissistic in their belief that their product is superior…just re-read your own ‘article’, for example), what would this have to do with Macs? How can you hate something simply because you don’t like the people who use it? That has absolutely nothing to do with the quality or lack thereof of the product. In short: your first point is inutile and disingenuous.
2) Sure, Macs are more expensive, but re-check your prices. You can get a good Mac for less than $1500 – less if you’re a student or purchasing an educational Mac. And the reason macs are so expensive is simple: they do not allow cloning. PCs are only cheaper because there are a bajillion competitors trying to sell their product. No competition = higher prices.
The upside of this is that you can guarantee the quality level of the product you’re buying. You know that the machines, their components and their hardware are going to be the highest available level of quality, and not contain second-rate knockoff materials that will burn out within a short time of purchase.
I’d rather pay more for high quality that lasts many years than pay less and replace it far more frequently.
3) First off, while Mac was forced to bow down to USB 2.0 due to its wide usage, that doesn’t make it better. FireWire is far better and far faster and it’s a pity that it has not been adopted on a wider basis. Either way, as noted above, if you’re working in multimedia, you’ll want FireWire – it is far, far superior to USB 2.0 when working with massive multimedia files.
BlueRay is indeed an important step to take (and you can get BlueRay drives for Mac, they’re just not standardized as of yet – but neither are they standardized on most PCs…).
However, need I remind you that Macs had standard DVD-Rom drives in every computer before you could even GET an internal DVD-ROM drive for most PCs.
4) To argue that Macs stole their OS is one of the weakest of arguments a PC user can make. Microsoft’s entire existence is owing to its theft of Apple’s OS. Windows has always been a knockoff of the Mac OS, from 3.1 onwards. So sure, OSX owes a lot to Linux (which is open source and therefore open to ANYONE to use and profit from it) but not nearly as much as Windows owes to Mac (which was NOT open source and therefore NOT open to ‘anyone’ to use and profit from it…)
5) I’ve used both Apples/Macs and PCs for over 20 years. All it takes on a Mac to do everything you complain about is to Ctrl-Click. (sarcasm)Ooooh…you mean I have to hit ONE KEY while clicking…??? *GASP* (/end sarcasm). Each mouse comes absolutely naturally to me after years of usage, so I don’t even notice hitting the control key any more. And having to hit Ctrl-Click versus right click is hardly a strong reason to avoid an entire system.
And while we’re on the topic of shortcuts, please let me know why PCs have not adopted intelligent shortcuts for symbols while typing? Macs used Option and/or Shift to get at almost every symbol you could possibly need on a semi-regular to regular basis. For PCs you either have to memorize the entire Unicode chart, manually set an entire array of macros and/or shortcuts, or constantly copy/paste from character charts.
And don’t get me started on all of the other fantastic shortcuts you get with Macs that are not automatic on PCs.
6) -The dock is 100% customizable. You want day and time? Set your computer to show day and time! You can set it any way you like: with or without the day, the date in any order, the time in any order – including 24h time…you just have to set it to your preference.
-You can always see minimized files. The bigger your dock, the more you can see of them.
-It also shows which programs are running, which are opened, allows you to perform basic tasks for each program – from playing iTunes to opening/closing files in Word, to navigating browsers – without opening the windows for those programs. And, of course, it also notifies you whenever a program needs you – from an alert to the automatic software updates that pop onto your dock.
-Hitting ‘X’ closes programs. And you can also close them via their icons on the dock without even going to the window.
-Alt-Tab works on Macs exactly as on PCs. And you can also control the speed of your navigation.
-Maximizing windows most certainly does maximize them completely. You can also mazimize windows in most programs to full screen.
-Opening 1000 images in Preview opens them in a typical thumbnail list that you can navigate/scroll through, selecting the images you want without having to go through every one. The selected image will show in the viewer – the others won’t.
-You can drag files from anywhere to anywhere without having to prepare a window. Just click on the file you’re dragging, drag it to the dock Finder, and it will allow you to navigate to where you want to put it. Or you can use the function key (as mentioned above) to show either all windows – or the desktop with no windows – and drag it to your desired destination.
7) In over 10 years of using Macs at home, I can count the system crashes I’ve had on one hand. And it was always because the age of the computer could not handle the burden of ultra-modern software (which is usually my sign to upgrade). And older Macs can handle newer software far better and for far longer than PCs can.
Macs will occasionally have software crashes, but even those are very rare. The incompatibility issues, system crashes, and software glitches I’ve had in the last six months alone with my PC at work are far greater than the ten times Safari or Word has crashed on my Mac in the last year or two. And I leave my Mac on and running, with several programs constantly open and running, for weeks at a time without even restarting the programs, let alone rebooting the computers. I wouldn’t dream of doing that with my work PC for fear of the ramifications.
And I have never had a virus affect my Mac, with or without firewalls and virus protection.
I’d rather have the stable, new version of Photoshop with extras six months later than the sparser, buggy, crappy version right off of the bat.
Freeware is certainly an edge to PCs. More people use them, so obviously there will be more available. But Macs are certainly catching up, and there is more, better freeware available for Macs all of the time.
9) No argument here. Gaming is and always has been far superior on PCs – both for games and for game-related hardware. Most Mac users will have a cheap gaming PC or a console instead.
For multimedia users, however, PCs don’t hold a candle to Macs.
10) Sure, Macs are not as customizable as PCs (though they are far more customizable than you give credit for) but they don’t tend to NEED to be. They tend to get it right the first time without a need to change everything around. And pieces don’t break or burn out all of the time, so don’t need upgrading or replacement.
And there are ways to tinker with the OS – from using scripts to actually interfacing with the OS itself – but it simply is not recommended for people who don’t really know what they’re doing.
>>>All in all, there are far more reasons to avoid PCs than Macs, but both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. It would have been nice to see a constructive parallel criticism rather than a rant with little basis, however.
And although you claim to have used all forms of Macs, you didn’t seem to do much more than turn them on, as you seem completely unaware of how to use one.
And yes, universities are widely turning to Macs now, as are high-level government institutions, and a lot of this has to do with strong educational backing by Apple, and various government programs the company has in place.
As well, multimedia – from journalism to film production – uses Mac almost exclusively. Which is also why you see Macs being used in most TV shows and movies, rather than PCs
This article was clearly written by a highly un-intelligent life form… I would also assume that the writer has never used a mac, nor gotten to know any Mac users…
MOST IMPORTANTLY YOU CANT COMPARE THE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try cutting a film on the new windows operating system or just kill yourself
@Ben,
First of all, this article is not comparing Macs with PCs. It is hounding Mac and Apple for all their narcissistic, pseudo-progressive philosophies and stubborn habits, as well as their very inefficient hardware, software, and UI. But fine, I’ll respond a bit to your attacks on PCs, if that’s what you want.
1. I’m glad its insulting as Mac users should feel ashamed!
2. I’m glad we agree. Oh, and your belief that Macs have better components is hilarious. See article.
3. Typical fanboy response to the truth. It doesn’t matter if FireWire is theoretically better. It matters what is being recognized as universal by the industry. Don’t believe me? Read up on Sony’s Betamax format in the 1980s (oh wait… wasn’t it Sony who also supported FireWire along with Apple? They just never learn, do they?). And you are wrong, as BluRay is standard on almost all PC laptops already (even more ironic, since BluRay is Sony’s format).
4. Wow. Brainwashed much? See article.
5. I’m glad you have gotten used to Mac’s inefficiency. Re: unicode character shortcuts, I would have to research that more before commenting. You may have a solid point with this example, though it sounds like something Apple stole from Linux.
6. All your points are wrong or misinformed. See article, and my previous comments.
7. I’m glad we agree that Macs crash and have viruses.
8. Your claim that Adobe software releases are buggy on PCs and not Macs is hilarious, as is your claim that you enjoy the much-delayed releases of Mac software.
9. I’m glad we agree. Your claim that multimedia is better on Macs is hilarious, as factory speakers, sound drivers, video drivers, video players, games, HDMI output, and more are all horrible or non-existent on Macs. Plus, Safari sucks, as does Quicktime. Perhaps the only program that is slick on Macs is Final Cut Pro, but only if you buy the customized FCP keyboard that Mac sells for what, $300 probably?
10. I’m glad we agree.
P.S. I’m still waiting for someone to name a public university or government department that uses primarily Macs and/or Mac servers?
P.P.S. I’m glad you bring up the point that most TV and media employees use Macs, as it strongly reaffirms the 1st point in my article. Unless you are talking about Final Cut Pro. Then you might have a small point.
who cares. be happy with what you use and get on with your life.
Congratulations on ignoring just about every point I made. Saying ‘it sucks’ or ’see article’ (especially when I’ve obviously ’see[n the] article’ as my points are in close response to it..) are hardly a strong rebuttal.
You’re claim that the article does not compare Macs to PCs is more than a little odd, as every second point is about how you perceive Macs as weak in comparison to something that a PC does.
You’re response to my rebuttal of #6 is equally odd. I have explained carefully that you were wrong in each regard, and in most cases explained how you were wrong. I use most of those functions on a regular basis. To refer me back to an article riddled with obvious errors is a very weak rebuttal indeed. And saying ‘I’m glad we agree’ when in most cases we clearly do not, is amusing, although more than a little ignorant.
Your responses in general show an inability to argue against the many strong points and valid questions that have been raised regarding the poor research and lack of understanding that you have of how Macs work and their use in various fields and sectors.
And in answer to your question:
Princeton recently began to switch to Macs as more than 60% of its faculty now use them.
Concordia University here in Montreal is an example of a public university that has already switched to Macs as its main computer of choice and McGill has begun to switch over to them as well.
For governments, the US Dept. of Public Health began the switch a few years ago.
PC users are just angry because they are too poor to afford anything but a broke-down piece of sh*t Dell that will decide to run at half its speed in one months time. Ooooo, look, Windows 7 is based of os Mac Os X. And please, please, for your God’s sake (not mine), learn how to manage what programs you have open, instead of criticizing the X on the window.
Seriously though, I buy a Mac not because it’s the trendy thing to do. I buy it because it just f*ckin works out of the box. It’s snappy to start up, and the 4-5 productivity tools I use just f*ckin work.
More viruses? Stop going to pornographic websites idiot. I haven’t had a virus on my mac during its 3 years of use.
@Ben, I said “see article or previous comments” because I’ve already responded to the repeat arguments that you made in those cases.
Do you have a link (or photos?) proving that those universities and government departments are now using primarily Mac computers and/or Mac servers around their entire campus? Because I don’t believe it.
@Anonymous, thanks for reinforcing my mockery of Mac fanboys.
Couple things:
Here’s your menu for time/date customization, since that’s such a make or break feature for you – http://tinyurl.com/yf8gwax
Here’s a link to some Mac customization resources – http://tinyurl.com/yzbu5qn
Also, check out this dock. It was very easy to install as it, you know, came packaged with Windows 7. http://tinyurl.com/yf4rnby
If you’re still interested, look around for articles/media about the “new” features that Microsoft brought about when it released Vista.
You are right about alt-tab. My mistake. Try Command-tab and you’ll find what you’re looking for. Also you can quit programs while in the Command-tab menu with Command-Q (one of the MANY useful keyboard shortcuts that are available in OSX).
Again, opening multiple images is a snap. I’m not sure how you’re disagreeing with this. “Tricks”? Open your image folder, CMD+A to select all. Double click or open with preview. That’s it. Want to remove some? Right click (since right clicking is and always has been an option on a Mac) hit close. Slideshow? Hit View, it’s the last option on the menu.
In addition OSX has coverflow for Finder windows. Is this REALLY not an easy way to view a folder of images? http://tinyurl.com/y8nq4b9
I’m still not clear with what you’re saying about not being able to drag files. Please clarify. In any case, what is more efficient about the way you would drag files between windows on a PC?
Here’s a screenshot of my dock during a typical workday. “Macs suck at multitasking”? Uh, tell that to my laptop. http://tinyurl.com/y89oowg
An excerpt from this article – http://tinyurl.com/yk355sk …
“The article also goes on describe how a significant percentage of faculty use Macs and that the percentage has increased.”
@Jay, do you have as screenshot of the full day, time, and date displaying on the OSX menubar? Cuz I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. But I may be wrong if that has been updated in recent OSX updates.
Regarding the Windows 7 “Dock” ripoff that a few of you keep mentioning: I haven’t used Windows 7 extensively, but my suspicion is that you can still group the taskbar however you like in Windows 7 as in past Windows releases, either by frame or by application. I must say I do hate the default “Dock-like” taskbar layout in Windows 7.
Regarding keyboard shorcuts, those exist on all systems. Control C-V-Q etc exist on Linux and Windows. But only Mac makes the X button on a frame minimize it instead of quitting, which is retarded, as most newbies (the majority of Mac owners) don’t know how to properly shut down a program and thus eat up their processor constantly.
Please remember that most of my points are in regard to the majority of users knowing how to use a Mac efficiently, which is Mac’s “claim to fame” even though its total bullshit since most newbies are completely unaware of the complex keyboard “shortcuts” and “menu options” that are available on a Mac. On Windows and Linux, user interaction is much more direct, predictable, and efficient as I’ve noted in previous comments.
Regarding Command+Tab, you are more correct this time, however still wrong as even according to MacWorld, this technique does not always work (but lucky you, there is another 5 key combination to make it work properly, if you can memorize it):
http://www.macworld.com/article/133159/2008/04/105cmdtabwindows.html
Regarding image viewing, okay: I have 25 beefs with the way that Mac treats image files, but here are a few: you can’t preview images unless you open them completely, if you select all and then double click it only opens the file you doubled clicked on, if you open all files for a slideshow or side-reel type view you can’t delete images, if you open one image in a directory and want to view the next image you can’t unless you manually open each image or close the current window and open all images with a special key command like you mentioned, etc etc.
Regarding dragging files, okay: Here is the best example. I have a file on the desktop. I want to open it with Photoshop. In Windows or Linux, you can drag the file to the taskbar icon for Photoshop (GIMP etc) and the file will be opened with that application. On Mac, you must first open the application you want to use for your file, and then select your desired desktop file from the menu or otherwise.
Regarding “coverflow” yes, I believe its one of the most retarded and inefficient ways EVER to navigate a computer system, whether for newbies or advanced users. It’s simply another way Mac tries to be flashy instead of useful. Now, you could make a better argument based on the “hot corners” or whatever they call them, as those are truly useful and easy to use, if newbies can figure out how to set them up properly, and if they weren’t so sensitive to the mouse being near a corner of the screen for less than .2 seconds.
Regarding multi-tasking, yes, Macs suck at it. They are getting better, especially after they switched to Intel (hmmm) and started putting more than 1GB RAM on some higher-end models, but they still suck at it. I’ve used some of the “best” Mac towers out there in recent years, and opening Photoshop is like death on them. You pretty much can’t do anything else while Photoshop is open. Perhaps on some of the brand new models that have come out in the last 1.5 years its gotten better, if you are willing to pay $3000 or more?
Your article reference is amusing, but only confirms that Macs are not the primary computer being used at Princeton. And by the way, even if all “faculty” offices at a university one day use Macs, it will only reinforce point #1 of my article, since I’m assuming all the computers in their libraries and otherwise are not primarily Macs. (For the record, I worked at a university that tried to use Mac servers in multiple departments, and they constantly crashed, had constant problems with Python, needed constant EXPENSIVE fixing, etc etc.)
Here’s your screenshot of the time/date stamp: http://tinyurl.com/yf9oxej
Let me just say that though I posted a screenshot of the Windows dock-like taskbar, I don’t use it like that. I mentioned in an earlier post that it’s simply a manner of opinion… some like the dock, some don’t. Windows 7 has simply included an option for those who do. I personally prefer to use the ‘Pin to Start Menu’ feature for organization in Windows, and I have something similar set up in OSX. Screens of each: http://tinyurl.com/y8ket9y and http://tinyurl.com/yatgcmo
You’ll find this article interesting, I think: http://tinyurl.com/akbotq
Command-Tab works, the article you’re referencing is from OSX 10.5 Leopard. The newest is 10.6 Snow Leopard. A lot of keyboard shortcuts have been changed between the two versions. Command-Q while in the menu will close an application entirely. Opening a new window via that “shortcut” you posted takes more time that simply switching to that application (releasing the menu) and hitting Command-N.
Every point you made in your argument about opening images is flat out wrong. There are three ways to preview images in OSX without opening them in the actual image viewer. Option 1: http://tinyurl.com/yavfbjr Option 2 (Coverflow): http://tinyurl.com/y9jfxx6 Option 3: Simply hit the space bar! In all three options you can still use the arrow keys to scroll through every file in the folder.
If you select every image in a folder and double click they will ALL open in a SINGLE window of the application ‘Preview’. Right clicking on a single image (or selecting multiple images) will offer you these options: http://tinyurl.com/yc6sneu
Notice once I choose ‘Close’ that image is removed from the list of images: http://tinyurl.com/yau8mml
Open all of those images in a slideshow: http://tinyurl.com/y9sw4×8
And hey, just for good measure, if you want to drag more images back into that window: http://tinyurl.com/ybwlnvr
Opening files by dragging them to both opened & unopened applications on the dock is confirmed working in Snow Leopard. I can’t vouch for previous versions, though I’m willing to bet Leopard is the same.
Photoshop CS4 opens in less than 10 seconds on both my laptop and my tower. See my earlier screenshot showing every single program I had opened on my laptop for the entire afternoon. It’s quite a stretch to suggest that opening Photoshop means you can’t use any other applications simultaneously. My laptop was $1350, my tower I picked up off of eBay for $2300.
^ My post
Doesn’t the writer of this article sound like the fat guy from the commercial… answer to the delete question… 1. you truly don’t know what you are talking about 2. the extra money you pay for is intuitiveness. for every hour you spend pulling your hair out because your operating system sucks big time … i am having sex with your girlfriend. 3. function key > delete = you are a knoob
Hope this is your job, JJ. That way your arse can get fired for gross incompetency. You troll.
Dearest JJ,
Suck my whale dork.
Sincerely,
Everyone
PS.
UC Irvine? Seriously? No wonder you can’t write.
@Endall, Qulueless (sic?), and Yo,
Thanks to you Mac fanboys and all of your snide (unintelligible?) comments, this article continues to be validated further and grow in traffic. Many thanks!
Wow… people sure do get pissed when you attack their computers. I didn’t realize that this was an important issue; important enough to really start throwing insults.
We are talking about computer types, right? Just checking…
My whole life is not involved in debating what computers are better than others (I have no idea), but I’ve heard people argue this fact for some time now. It’s a little over my head; I’m a real estate developer, not a computer programmer. I use laptop to read email and go on the Internet and maybe look at pics of my kids.
After reading lots of these comments, then doing a little research (asking my assistant), I think I have a clearer outlook on the two. The differences that you guys are arguing over are beyond trivial. Opening multiple windows? Dragging files into applications? Customizable docks? This is all fru-fru bullshit.
I apply these 3 (and more) questions when buying property (translate it into buying a computer):
-Can you easily and cheaply reno/update (think getting parts)?
-How is it priced?
-What’s the commercial appeal (how many people use it)?
It’s REAL questions like these that should be applied when dropping large amounts of money on something like a computer or an plot. Not silly trivial garbage like window closing button locations or right click stuff.
From what I’ve seen, PC’s are cheaper, more readily available and more people use. That all translates into an easier time for you in the long run. Why back your self into a corner? I hear people say that there are problems with PC’s. I don’t think I’ve had any more problems than anyone else. Seems good to me.
When I buy a building or plot, I don’t give a fuck whether it’s “hip” or not, or if my friends with think I’m cool for doing it. I do it to make money, to succeed, to get ahead and to further my life in the direction that I want to go. NOT to impress someone else. The few Mac people I’ve talked to all seem to buy into the “idea” of owning a Mac, and not thinking about the actual functionality or usefulness of it. They seem to be very concerned about their image and how other perceive them. My assistant said that is pretty consistent with her friends in school.
I looked on Apple’s website after reading your comments, and saw some insane prices. And those were WITHOUT the monitor, I later found out. WITHOUT THE MONITOR?!? Are you kidding me? Who the hell do these people think they are?
Well… as long as people are buying your snake-oil, why not keep selling it? As long as people “think” that it’s working…
Here’s a few more items to check off of your list:
While I understand that a dock with a bunch of minimized windows (http://tinyurl.com/yfesebv) might look a little intimidating, here are two methods for quick window-browsing:
1) Click+hold the application icon on your dock to get a view of all its open windows. It even denotes which windows are maximized or minimized and has labels to let know what is open in each. http://tinyurl.com/yl5xf53
2) Right click the application icon on your dock to see a list of all open windows. http://tinyurl.com/yj2nenx
An alternative solution to minimizing is using the Hide command, which does exactly what it says, and hides every window of an application without forcing you to minimize any of your windows. This is generally my preferred method.
While we’re on the topic of right clicking, I believe we’ve determined that you can (and have always been able) to right click, whether via Ctrl+click or a touch-sensitive, or two-button mouse. Right-clicking a file offers list of features attached just as it does on other OSes (http://tinyurl.com/ye2tetp).
Your claim that Mac’s version of Photoshop is lacking right-click functionality is incredibly misleading. This menu (http://tinyurl.com/yk57qtq) is the one you present as your primary argument. Are you kidding me? That argument is nearly as trivial as your one about the clock not showing the date! Being able to access this menu is not going to drastically improve or impede your workflow by any stretch of the imagination. As a heavy Photoshop user I can attest to this. In the years prior to becoming a Mac user I was not even aware that this menu existed. From my tests, every other right-click menu in Photoshop between Mac and PCs appears to be exactly the same. This menu that you seem to so desperately cling to is COMPLETELY NEGLIGIBLE.
PC PWNS MAC. IT’S IN THE BIBLE.
Apart from a few mac or p.c is god freaks and of course a few shit stirrers, who actually fucking cares which is better, if you like mac/p.c then stick with the fucking thing till you die, and then ask god, allah, buddah, jehovah, et al which is the fucking best, what a load of yap over nothing, I currently use a p.c simply because that was what I was first shown how to use, if someone gave me a mac of equal standard i’d still be as interested in that as I was with the p.c when I first got it, what a load of bollocks this is, what’s next “my mouse is bigger than you mouse?”
mac/p.c rules wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
babies.
Please, please, please…stop saying that BSD is Linux. Linux is not Unix, which means it is certainly not BSD. Linux is a complete rewrite from the ground up, although using the same command names. BSD is Unix.
Honestly, people buy macs for one reason, because they know, that everyone else knows how expensive they are, and how cool they will look sitting at starbucks. Why would anyone pay $2500 when you can get an equivelent pc tower for 800 and 42″ full HD lcd tv for another 800, which makes it much cheaper, and much more capable of gaming as well. Or you can pay an outrageous amount of money for a gimicky mac because the icons bounce when you close a program, woohoo
@everyone
Bottom line, I use both and I prefer some things on PC and some things on Mac, though my frustrations with PC are becoming more abundant these days. In fact, the reason I actually had time to read this whole rant and it’s subsequent comments is because my PC crashed and is rebooting. That does not make me a PC hater or group all PC activists as gamers or dorks. I realize that for the things I use my PC for, it’s suitable and the things I use my Mac for, it’s suitable.
There seems to be more of an argument here as to WHO uses the computer and why we hate those people rather than why people use these computers. Stereotyping at it’s finest. I am not a hipster, nor am I a gamer. I don’t drink coffee at Starbucks, nor do I drink coffee at Tim Horton’s. I’m a person who uses a computer for work and whenever I can get away from work, I spend it with real people. People who don’t give a sh*t whether or not I use a Mac or a PC. I like features on both, but at the end of the day they both play a hand in putting food on my table and allowing me to go enjoy some pints with friends and forget about work, computers and such for a few hours.
We have enough problems in the world with poverty, hunger, cancer, aids – things that really do matter. I’m not a bible thumper, uber do-gooder or philanthropist by any means (probably the farthest thing from it), but sometimes I do wonder what we could accomplish if we took the same energy we apply to arguing over seemingly irrelevant things and applied it to something useful…or spend the valuable time with your friends, family, wife, kids…whatever.
Again, drop the argument. Both sides have made their points and provided both useless and useful facts. I’m going to shut down both of my computers right now, forget about them and take off to enjoy some Guinness with some old friends. The very fact I wasted time writing this is even annoying me.
@overpircedpos
I’m being somewhat of a hypocrite here and starting perhaps another argument, I couldn’t help but respond to yours.
1) What does pirced mean? Before trying to be quick and witty, maybe spell check or check your grammar.
2) How cool do you look in Starbucks with your PC tower and a 42″ HD LCD TV? If you’re talking about someone showing off their Mac at Starbucks, you’re surely referencing a laptop. Keep your argument around the laptop then and perhaps discuss the cost of a PC laptop. Otherwise, your argument is irrelevant.
To all the mac haters-I find this very funny…… Let it be!!! I’ll use my mac, and you use your pc.. Then when your pc breaks call and I’ll fix it again. LOL!!!!!!! nuff said
I stopped reading after I read the word “retarded” for the 3rd time. It gives you very little credibility.
I’m a PC. FOREVER. I only use MAC in my office, so I live with both, and you lost me on the right click thing. Perhaps right click is only on OSX and higher? So if you’re used to using an older mac, with say Tiger or lower, I guess you’d have that problem. I don’t know… I think this needs more fact checking or something, and less expletives. It’ll give you professional looking credibility. Just FYI
@Ben
Just pointing out that OSX came out the same year as WinXP, and its fifth iteration, Tiger, was released in 2005 so I’m not sure I’d say that it’s an “old” OS, considering how many people still use WinXP.
Also, what happened to the OP?
Just a quick one…Why would it be that all the best editors of the DH Bike movies and alpine skiing movies all use Macs with Final Cut Pro if Macs are really such crap? For example, the fellows at Juicy Studios, Teton Gravity Research, Poor Boyz Production, Matchstick Productions, as well as the guys making the new bike movie Lifecycles. I have a mac for all my schoolwork/job work/editing, and it has never failed to meet or exceed expectations (while never having any virus problems or buying any antivirus software). I just bought a PC with Vista (bad move, I know), and I keep having issues with it not accepting outside hardware as well as needing to install software updates for 30 minutes every time I turn it off. Don’t get me wrong, it runs movies and games great, but its just isnt as convenient a system, or reliable when dealing with important or irreplaceable information for work or school. Each excels at different things (although my MacBook Pro seems to be very durable compared to alot of the toshibas/acers/hps that friends have had at University.
Cheers!
@Duomat, nobody said BSD is Linux. What’s your point? At the end of the day, OSX is a Linux distro, not Unix, even though they stole from Unix BSD in the beginning.
@overpircedpos, WORD.
@ridiculous, you sound like a hipster.
@Rowster, wait… all the skating and surfing companies use Macbooks??? Holy shit… that… proves point #1! Yet again! Thanks for bringing more evidence to the table mate. I mean, no offense, I’m sure surfers totally buy most products based on useability, and not trendiness. Right brah?
I have a cousin who is a total douchebag… He loves the Mac… go figure…
I agree on this one, furthermore, the only reason why Mac users love their Macs is because it’s stable. Comparing a PC and a Mac is like comparing a roller coaster ride with a stroller. A PC will give you all the thrill and excitement, it may even cause you to scream and get frustrated but once you ride it, you know you found something worth riding. A Mac is like a stroller, it will never make you scream nor will it make you jump in excitement. It’s just stable… No problems… Not exciting…
I actually like both platforms. Mac has some very strong features but PC’s do as well. For the price and as often as I want a new computer, I go for PC’s. Technology changes too rapidly on both platforms. I can buy 2-3 PC’s before reaching the price of an equivalent MAC. When all is said and done, I have a better, newer PC having spent the same amount.
Really, who gives a sh#@ !!
I use both……Im a graphic designer…..PC’s have more problems…..
My Mac looks better!
first point i’d like to make is this:
very well written article, made me laugh rather hard throughout my reading of it…then again, i did take it as a work of satire as opposed to an actual article.
moving on.
i would like to say that i personally find the whole Apple experience (apart from SOME software applications and perhaps their iPod range) to be rather….lacking for what i am expected to pay. the hardware is not top quality and is only worth about half of what you pay for it. the software that runs the hardware could run better and provide more versitility, although i havent seen the 10.5 and 10.6 releases of OSX so this might have changed. to be honest, i think of Apple Macs as over priced house bricks.
now, we can all agree that macs are hideously overrpiced for what they are. you are mostly paying for the looks and brand name anyway.
i have personally noticed that people who tend to use apple products are people who are quite egotistical or who have alot of money or who want something that does little more than look good. now on the same coin here, i can say that there is a large percentage of PC users (particularly the ones in the gaming community) who act like the mac users i just described. but speaking to the majority (note the word MAJORITY. this is not adressed at the part of the community who uses macs regularly because they know that a mac suits thier needs better than whatever else ect.) of mac users here, mac users are renowned for having jaded views of computer technology, and for not being able to argue/discuss the mac issue sensibly until the examples are made phhysically.
i will admit now that i use PCs. the only time i have used a mac extensively was about 2 years ago, when i was working out some networking issues between my windows based server, the mac (which belonged to a friend) and the other pcs i have in my house, so i ask that you take this into consideration before you crucify me for what i said.
so….
to sum up what i just said:
-i am a pc user
-i like windows and find mac annoying
-the majority of the mac community are whining rich prats who dont know any better in my opinion
-macs look pretty, but are no more than overpriced house bricks
-i like the minority of the mac community because they arent whining rich prats who dont know any better. they are just rich.
-i liked the article because it gives a laugh. lighten up a bit. discuss your points but at the same time enjoy the discussion.
-i am probably going to die thanks to the majority of the mac users whinging and whining.
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as a summery to those joining in now:
the comments are pretty much as follows:
baw baw baw baw baw baw baw baw; i like macs; cry cry; whine whine; baw baw baw; macs have some good points; cry cry cry; drama drama.
so…have fun XD
baw baw baw baw baw baw baw; i like macs
Lol JJ. You’ll never amount to anything with this level of stupidity
horrible article period
I liek de PC, my right click works. JJ is awesome! He mah hero.
I just want to let you all know that I was wrong. My stepdad bought me a MacBook Pro for Kwanzaa and I’m blown away by its awesomeness and superiority to PCs. Now I can read TMZ in high def! I realize now I’m a complete douche times ten. Please forgive.
Sincerely,
Peanut Eater
@AiR, WORD. Sorry about your douchebag cousin.
@Raven, WORD. Good use of logic and reasoning.
@who cars, wat, pmz, peanut eater,
Again, thank you guys for continually validating the points in the article by showing the world what ignorant douchebags most Mac fanboys are. It’s even worse than I realized. Maybe you guys should see a shrink?…
@JJ
Still waiting for a reply to my post where I provided you with more evidence about why you are wrong… selective reading is fun though, right?
Retarded is that I will never get back the time I wasted reading this.
This article is amazingly slanted.
I suspect the author is just pissed cause he can’t afford a Mac. I’ve had one for years and absolutely LOVE it.
And, I’ve never had a virus on this Mac.
Ha.
Eat it PC dude.
Macs are for narcissistic douchebags with an inferiority complex. They’re pretty machines that come in pretty packaging, that’s it. The article is dead on.
I do not know about Mac. I have been using Windows all my life. Windows have become very stable recently. I know the nightmarish days of Windows Me, but then XP has been rock solid. For past 7 years, I have not had a single virus or a crash. I do not play games in PC. I just use it for writing letters, documents, etc and surf the web.
But I know a friend of mine who attends FIT (Fashion Institute of Technology) in NY uses Mac and PC. And I have visited him often. And one day he was so frustrated by the Mac he used a baseball bat to smash it by saying, “$2000.00 piece of crap!!!! Apple I want a refund!!!” He then proceeded to his PC and started to work on it. Now I do not know all the ins and outs of his frustration. He just plainly told me, “Apple is overpriced crap. Trust me, do not buy it. Stick with PC, because it is easily fixable (both hardware and software).”
For last seven years, my old PC (XP) has been rock solid. And now, I have upgraded all my old computers (3-5 years old) to Windows 7 and they run faster and smoother than they were in XP! I only upgraded the RAM memory and nothing else. I am very happy with PC and Windows 7.
Again, I am only posting here because some convert to PC from Mac and others to Mac from PC — whatever their reason may be.
Hi. Flame war much?
Well, I like macs (my school has them for the photoshop/web page development classes, i’m taking one next semester.) but i would not buy one, that’s just me. I don’t want to pay at least $700 to have a computer that just works. Yes, they are neat. But i’d rather spend the time to get Windows working. I feel that this all has to do with the fact of whether or not people are patient with their computer. Right now, I have uTorrent running(doesn’t really count, hardly a dent on my resources) Any Video Converter(a little less than half finished,) and Google Chrome(IDK what you may say, but it ACES every other web browser….) My system has crashed(totally) twice. The first time I used the restore disk. The second time my mom took it to a local PC shop and paid $125 to fix it.(I’m only 16, what do you expect?) Now, I’ve never had a virus, and my PC has never crashed since.
Enough about me. I remember last year was when some of our labs got iMacs (i believe the G5s, the all in one white polycarbonate ones. They were super easy to set up. But the IT people were trying to use Parallels to run WinXP Pro, they had a hell of a time doing that… AND the paticular rig I was using, the Ethernet went out all the time! which means I couldn’t log into Windows on Parallels!(The name of the server software escapes me.) Which resulted in me not being able to do my work, because Photoshop was awful slow on Mac side, which resulted in me getting a 74 in that class!(It’s OK, I still have a high enough GPA to get into National Honor Society. XD)
When I get a job, I was hoping to buy my own computer. I was looking at the Mac mini, but for what I get for what I pay, I don’t like.
2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB memory
320GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
Mac OS X Snow Leopard
$799.00
I was also looking at this eMachines computer(now I understand that it’s a cheapo brand and that it’s the gutter(bane) of PC brands. I did my research, they are not that bad.)
AMD Athlon™ II X2 dual-core processor 235e (2.7GHz, 2MB L2 cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit
NVIDIA® GeForce® 6150 SE
6144MB DDR2 dual-channel (2 × 1024MB + 2 × 2048MB)
750GB 7200rpm SATA
16x DVD±R/RW Supermulti drive
$398.00
With the eMachines, I could crack it open and upgrade it if I wanted to, but it has enough for me right now. With the mini, I could also crack it open, but I can only upgrade the HDD and RAM, plus if I wanted a faster procesor, I’d have to pay for it up front, AND it’s soldered!
Don’t even get me started with the iPod. Nice piece of kit, but not for me.
All in all, if you like Mac, get a Mac; if you like Windows, get a PC(although that term is used just referring to Windows PCs, when it actually should just refer to a personal computer in general…) But please, can we all JUST GET ALONG!?!??
Two words:
You’re a fucking cocksucking douchebag dickweed and your breath stinks like peanut butter from eating peanuts out of your ass.
Sincerely,
JJ Can’t Write.
Criticism is one thing, but open envy something else.
The mention about GROWING NUMBER OF VIRUSES ON MAC links to a text about TWO new trojans that you can get by installing pirated software
If you can’t afford a decent Mac, don”t cry about it!
For all those who are claiming that macs are overpriced: what is the cost of EQUAL QUALITY PC to 27″ iMac models? I agree Macs are expensive some ar overpriced more or less, especially when they are near EOL. In general article shows that many people does not know some basic things about Mac OS X (and Windows).
To the lot of you, who fucking cares?
Basically almost all the comments about this crap (including the post itself)can be boiled down to “Wah! mines better than yours”, big fucking deal. If you’ve never used the other system then “shut up”, if you have used it then give a sensible unbiased (some fucking hope) opinion, if you can’t do that then again, shut the fuck up, and to think some of the comments on here are by people who may one day be our leaders, god(whomever) help us all.
My mentor is a PC user. He used to say he never had a virus. He said he didn’t need an antivirus program. Till about a month ago. His computer crashed. Is it virus, hard disk, processor or memory? How to diagnose? No firewire port to target disc mode, as in Macs.
Turns out after one week of repairs, that he had 350 viruses, trojans and other worms. I used to have them. In the era I like to call b.M. before Mac. I was used to seeing the blue screen of death. I was used to 3-6 minutes of booting up. I was used to frequent antivirus updates and still have virus crushing.
Now? G4 mac mini, iMac white and current MacBook Pro are all running, they all have their place (media center, server; internet, music, basic research, writing, games, calendar, photos, movies; research, iWork, terminal, internet….). They work. Every day. 365/24/7. I don’t do work for them. They work for me.
…who the fuck cares?
If this is what you consider “investigative journalism” then you’re destined for a career on Drudge Report. Right up there with Breitbart, dickweed – congrats!
Doode, you’re totally full of it at no. 5 & 6.
I’m a blonde teenage girl and omg the macs are just sooo cute. i have to get one. I can take pictures with funny backgrounds. OMG. plus i can have daddy pay for it. hehe
JJ….. I feel for you, brother. What you have displayed here suggest you have a really difficult life ahead of you. It’s going to be tough clinging on to one side of issues and pushing forward completely unencumbered by facts — but you have show here that can do it. Good luck!
OMG Its true!!!! A friend of mine send me this link of an article written by a total dumbass… I would have never believed if I hadn’t seen it myself. I guess thats why the link is going around….
Oh, and the comments are priceless!!!! Thanks everyone for that.
Good trolling, OP. : ]
This guy is payed by microsoft and is totally stupid
nice load of insults going…anyway:
i believe this is not an article “why is pc better than mac” but “top 10 reasons why mac sucks”. so dont explicitly compare pcs to macs. yes the article is semi-rant-like but has some points there. im not a mac user so i cannot say anything about the functionality of macs. what i can say is that macs are overpriced (for no apparent reason). now im gonna swallow my own words on no comparison but since you people brought up pcs there are a few things you should know:
1) pcs are as stable as macs. it is just a matter of tinkering that makes them unstable.
2) pc != windows (for ignorants: != means NOT)
3) most people (not all for there are a few valid arguments throughout the comments) get insulted by this article and attack windows. noone ever mentioned Linux as an OS for pc, which i find more stable than winblows.
4) one of the biggest issues with macs (as i understand) is their lack of versatility and their so called “stability”
5) mac == no decent upgrade possible. you actually pay way too much for a pc that you cannot upgrade.
6) mac has high price which doesnt guarantee high quality of parts installed inside.
i wouldnt go into the functionality of a mac because im not that informed but as far as its known to me functionality is platform based (win/mac/*nix) and application based.
Sam says:
5) mac == no decent upgrade possible. you actually pay way too much for a pc that you cannot upgrade.
Really? Does the remark “cannot upgrade” really apply? Doesn’t upgrading RAM, Hard Drives, video cards, Optical drives, mouse, keyboard, monitor, audio, etc, etc, etc, count?
I’m scratching my head on that one….
my apologies for number 5. i was obviously misinformed.
mea culpa…
You know, as a relatively recent PC to Mac convert, I came over to take a look at this article based on a rebuttal from another site. Initially reading the article, I truly had to wonder how many (if any) Macs the author had really used versus looking up “facts” to support his obviously PC-centric agenda. Then I started reading JJ’s responses to the comments from Mac users who read the article, both those that equated to “Whatever, you’re wrong” as well as those that were well thought out rebuttals. You know what? This assclown wrote this and his responses just to drive traffic to his site. Is he as ignorant as he seems to let on? Perhaps, then again, perhaps not. Is he petty enough to act like a spoiled 4-year-old child just to drive traffic to his piss-poor website? Definitely.
JJ, you are an idiot. Besides everything everyone else has (rightfully) given you shit for, I just want to tell you to stop fucking using the word “Mac” like it’s the name of the company, e.g. “Mac sells you a special Final Cut Pro keyboard for $300″ (which is fucking absurd and total bullshit). The name of the company is Apple, the product is the Mac. Whether you like it or not you just look like a god damned tool when you get them mixed up and at the same time try to tell mac users that THEY haven’t done their research.
Either way, who gives a shit what kind of computer you use?
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JJ,
Apple created Firewire long ago because Mac’s were designed as media generating machines and needed a faster interface to hardware, they also had things like stereo in and out.
PC’s were initially designed as office machines and thus didn’t need the faster interface of Firewire and used mono in/out for dictation, voice answering etc.
If you check out
http://www.systemshootouts.org/
you’ll see machines closely compared feature for feature PC to Mac and you’ll notice Apple’s hardware prices are decent and one gets a solid OS free of malware, headaches and costly anti-virus. Apple doesn’t play in the “low margin” “low quality” PC market like others do.
Hope this helps explain some things.
And to Old PC Man,
Your XP being stable and malware free is pure donkey dung. Need I remind you that XP 1 didn’t even have a firewall and had ports open by default?
You got something on your XP machine, your anti-virus has been altered to lie to you by the rootkit.
Use a packet sniffer and/or run Live Care from Microsoft.
@ The last few dozen Mac fanboys who have stopped by: Thanks so much for supplying so much evidence to all the readers out there of how utterly self-righteous and purposely ignorant you all are. This article continues to grow more and more popular due to your retarded antics.
@MacTripper,
Thanks for the history lesson that proves absolutely nothing, except the point that I already made, which is that Apple regularly ignores mainstream tech trends in favor of their own non-standard inventions and political games. Apple prices are decent? See point #2 in the article.
…another brainwashed Mac fanboy bites the dust.
Frankly, this rant read so poorly – - mostly due to its factual errors – - that I find it hard to conclude that it isn’t either simple clickbait (the domain owner Zachary Allister should be proud!) or that it is a tired public manifestation of the classical societal problem of the “Haves -vs- HaveNots”, where anonymous author JJ’s jealousy is because he’s one of said Have-Nots.
Facts first:
1. Narcissistic business model? Of course, some percentage of customers are this way…but that’s true for virtually all products – - so where’s your proof that it is all, or that Apple is actually any different? For example, versus any luxury car marquees?
2. Price? Value paradigms are harder to compare, because it gets into easier-to-debate lifecycle costs. Suffice to say that we all are willing to pay for various conveniences in our life, and while all OSs have some bullshit hassles in them, it comes down to the question of which ones push your buttons. Similarly, a $1000 every 2 years isn’t any cheaper than a $2000 computer every 4 years…its still $500/year.
Of course, paying more upfront can be perceived as being narcissistic, but failing to look at the whole question is nothing less than “Confirmation Bias” (go Google the term), where the objective is to only seek out that information which validates their preconceived notions, instead of actually seeking the whole picture of reality.
3. Ignoring Mainstream Industry Trends? Of course, we should try to forget how many “new trends” end up to be dead ends. I suspect that JJ wasn’t born yet during the VHS-vs-Betamax fight. Or Sony Digital Audio Tape (DAT). So for BluRay fanboyisms, not only did that format war just ended, but with streaming media, its end is already on the horizon…and the main obstruction for Apple is non-technical in that that they don’t want to surrender to the special demands of the format owners: it is odd how JJ later talkes about AAC, yet fails to logically understand that the same legal issue of “media lockdown” exists here.
4. Linux source? Even if true, why should I care? Microsoft’s Window was a UI rip-off of the works of others, plus the heritage of MS-DOS was that it was sold to IBM before Microsoft even owned the rights to the product themself. And the “Golden Child” of open source Linux didn’t have any of its roots in Unix? This comment smacks of hypocrisy.
5. Right Click? Factually wrong. And the Delete button complaint is a Windows user dilemma which has its roots in how Microsoft messed up when copying the typewriter keyboard UI, so Windows users don’t default to Backspace. So the logic here is that the UI failings of MS is blamed on the company that didn’t screw up.
6. Dock – - date complaint: try researching the Pareto Principle and if that’s not good enough, in OS X, click on the date in the toolbar to get the complete date (currently says: “Tuesday, January 12, 2010″). Similarly, try in Windows to close all data windows for an App without the App having the feature of “Automatically” quitting on you. Or try having two different Powerpoint sets of charts to copy-paste between them without being able to have both windows open, side by side. The point here is that what might be good for one person might suck for the next: what’s “best” ultimately depend upon your workflow needs. Similarly, why bother to use Alt-Tab, when there’s F9-F10-F11 in Expose? Apparently, having more than one way to skin the cat is being considered to be a bad thing.
7. “Just Working” – - yes, there were some spinning beachball shortcomings…back in 2001 and OS X revisions 10.0 and 10.1 And there were some OS hangs and crashes – - back in OS 7, fifteen years ago. In the meantime, there’s more malware on Windows found *daily* to try to keep your system updated and protect against than all that has been found for all of Mac OS X within the past decade. Pick your trade-offs. Insofar as Adobe Photoshop, I’ve personally been using it on both platforms for the past ~1.5 decades: clearly, if the one platform was profoundly worse than the other, I would not have tolerated such inadequacies…FYI, I did a ‘Stress Test’ back circa 2005 with a 1GB (200 megapixel) image — the 2003 vintage Mac chugged & swallowed; the 2005 Windows XP PC failed. This old report can be found archived on the Web with some good searching.
8. Lame SW/HW options – - yes, a smaller company has fewer overall choices; Film at 11. And there’s still no motorcycles made by Porsche
. But fewer choices doesn’t mean that there’s no good products. For example, the better FTP client choice than all that JJ listed is “Transmit”, which has only been around (and winning magazine awards) on the Mac platform since 1998 (yes, pre-OSX).
9. Gaming sucks. Yes, but this only matters to those who games as a form of personal entertainment. To insist on this being a major factor for everyone is being quite narcissistic (#1): congratulations, hypocrite.
10a. Lack of flexibility/upgrades – - the fallacy with this observation is that over 50% of new Windows PC sales within the USA are now laptops. This hardware is similarly highly limited in its hardware upgrades, so there’s no meaningful differentiation with which to base valid criticism upon. The message here is that home fanboys who want a tower configuration with which to go “play” in the internal guts are a dying breed … except of course, for those whose life consists of sitting around all weekend inside to play games. Please excuse me while I go play outside.
10b. Lack of UI Customizability – - there’s lots of 3rd party aftermarket widgets & toys here, if one chooses to go look for them. Of course, they all unfortunately tend to make your machine less responsive or stable, which could explain the complaints in #7. It constantly amazes me how some people will go play around with and mess up their machines, and then have the audacity to complain that its no longer a boringly reliable product to get their business done.
@JJ: as per the above, you’re the “ignorant douchebag” here, since many of the above issues are more complicated than the black/white you try to make them out to be…and its merely your own personal “Confirmation Bias” that blinds you to the broader reality of these complexities, as you try to defend your “turf”.
Feel free to try to insult me and this message … but do be aware that AFAIC, it doesn’t matter to me at all, unless you’re able to prove that you’re at least talented enough to track me down and send me a private offline note with your reasoned comments. I don’t really expect that you’ll be willing/able to do that, but please do try to surprise me by showing me that I’m wrong with said offline note.
Of course what this also means that the very predictable attempt of post a ‘clever retort here before there’s an email in my in-box means that you’re simply a shallow blowhard egotistic who is now running the risk of me posting a notification to the other readers about how you failed to step up.
-hh
1 word sir…. TOOL! Ever even use a mac?
Get a clue and an education, go back to high school, college ain’t workin fo ya.
http://lowendmac.com/misc/10mr/macs-dont-suck.html
the right click and date thing let’s me look at my ‘Mi 13. Jän 0:12′ on my screen again and again asking myself what I should miss here. the year? ok – fortunately I am quite aware about the year I am currently in …
I personally think that every OS has it’s pros and cons. I even hadn’t a problem with vista and don’t understand the bashing against it. i administered linux hosts since 1999 run a SBS network, also deployed SuSE OpenExchange networks years ago. since some months I own a mbp because I am attending university besides my job and got some discount. i think it is cute from a programmers point of view. especially the unix build environment that comes with xcode helped me through my C++ lessons.
I also like that I can drop into a shell with all the nice gnu tools anytime I want. i don’t like linux desktops because they are too configurable for my taste and I find myself playing with compiz for hours … I like the way how MAC OS X just works.
windows 7 runs in my vm, along with ubuntu and I also use them from time to time.
long story short – if you have left your script kid times behind and have seen several platforms come and go the last 20 years, such OS/platform wars seem quite ridiculous. from a professional point of view you have to be able to deal with every platform around and if you think you can bash A or B you simply haven’t understood your job, or use the system for playing around – in this case the platform doesn’t matter anyways – for watching pr0n or for fb or twitter every system will do.
but anyways – I think the whole thing here is a troll thing – this can’t be serious. I would love to know the age of some of the bashers ….
JJ=the Fox News of PCs. How much is MS paying you?
JJ, let me help even this out. I’m not a MAC user, and I am not a “MAC Fanboy”, and you create articles that are factually untrue. Then inexplicably you stick your unsubstantiated view, no matter what….
So…. does it help that PC users think your an ignorant douchebag too? ….kinda hard to blame that one on the fanboys — it’s just down to you on that one.
Take a que from sam in the above comments. I may not have agreed with EVERYTHING he said, but his response makes him out to at least be level headed… so there respect for the guy even if we disagreed on some points. HE STEPPED UP.
For your sake, don’t be bull-headed. Try to learn something here.
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@JJ,
Glad to see you’re still alive (not really) and still posting your useless drivel as other Mac users continue to put you in your place.
I will also point out that you can set your application windows to minimize to the application icon (http://tinyurl.com/yexw3mu) in the dock preferences, to reduce clutter.
P.S.
I very much enjoy the thirty minute wait I have every morning when I restart my 2 year old work PC, and wait for it to completely load all of its settings.
Wow, this article was written by a very ignorant person, not at all up date date on the subject being addressed.
dicks.
yaay!
Well guys, He is just jealous. Probably he doesn’t have any money to buy a Mac. We probably should raise some money that he could buy one.!!!:)))))))))
“Trying to “X” out of a program doesn’t close it, it simply minimizes it…”
Yes I hate this but Apple-Qing has more support than Ctrl-W or Q. The thing that totally sucks about how Apple did that is that it is excessively complicated when switching between Finder and other progs, especially CS3 because the BG is clear!!! I absolutely hate CS3 on Mac which is a huge factor in buying one, for Photo/Video/Graphics.
@Anonymous
Upgrade to CS4 when you can. Besides the new features, the entire suite now has an application frame (a baackground, not a clear window) that you can enable to solve that issue.
Obviously there’s some money involved, but CS4 is much nicer.
@Jay, do any of your solutions for fixing Mac problems not involve money or upgrades?
@JJ
It’s not really a problem, nor are you really forking money over to Apple to upgrade an Adobe product. The option stills exists for you to work without the application frame on, as clearly some people must prefer. For example, if you’re working on a single monitor and need to see documents between programs.
JJ, you are a total idiot so full of your own idiocy that you refuse to see anything outside of it, as you show so well by your commentary replies. Your criticisms are obviously a) made by someone not familiar with OS X (feature not activated by default != feature that doesn’t exist), and as far as I’m concerned, the rest is cherrypicked apples-to-oranges bullsh•t. Macs cost more, but are empirically-proven to be more bug-free and secure than Windows will ever be. And, if as a last resort, you declare that PC’s are better for gaming: they are, but only because developers chose to develop more for PC because its holds a major share of the market – this has nothing to do with the quality of PC or Windows itself. If ever you write an article again on this subject, base it on something more than your ignorant, biased and obviously quite limited knowledge of the subject.
Amongst a plethora of inaccuracies i’ll show you just one.
802.11a has been on Macs since the airport extreme card card released prior to 2004.
You wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this. And I want it baaaaaack.
Interesting sidenotes from Mashable:
http://mashable.com/2009/10/26/windows-vs-snow-leopard/
http://mashable.com/2010/01/15/nexus-one-beats-iphone/
http://mashable.com/2009/11/16/iphone-vs-android/
@JJ:
Mashable surveys use self-selected samples, which are unscientific. Go ask any statistics professor for the details for why.
BTW, news on link #2: Google’s “better” Nexus One phone is selling slowly, so they’ve cut the price by $100:
http://www.t3.com/news/google-nexus-one-price-drop-in-the-us?=43169
Haha, this article is good trolling. Look at all the sobbing Mac users who crawled out of their coffee shops and art classes to rage at the author. Not to mention all of the “Someone is being unfair and biased on the internet!!!” crusaders. What a sad bunch of hipsters and basement dwellers.
Age of Reason, wtf are you babbling about, I use a p.c and even I think that the article is seriously biased, and lets face it “coffee houses and art classes” has got to be better than “dark, dingy bedroom and attics”, hipsters and basement dwellers apply to both user types
Windows XP woes: http://tinyurl.com/ydpxejm
I needed to see the date…
When I was in college we had a class where we had to build our own computer. Since then I have never bought a off the shelf computer. I have always built my own. If I want more memory I add some, if I want a different USB bus I put one in.
I could never do that with anything out of Mac. And until I can. Well I’m a PC, of my own making.
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Ummm….. excuse me, Mr. “Age of Reason”…. I think most of the posts here are actually talking about factual inaccuracies in the article. And it is clearly both MAC and PC users posting about those inaccuracies.
– Just pointing out the obvious….
Age of Reason — I don’t think the Mac users are sobbing…. they seem to be laughing… at the author. And, FYI, I don’t think they need to crawl out of the coffee shops…. on a Mac, its really easy to access the internet from within the coffee shop — but I understand that may have been an easy mistake for you.
…or was that from the basement? I could not tell from your post if you are saying they are in the coffee shops or in basements…. you seemed to contradict yourself there….. must be all that rage.
JJ: a few comment regarding the mashable links….
Windows 7 vs Snow Leopard: I find it interesting that in a market place DOMINATED by Windows (90%), that only 50% chose Windows in that Survey… (as a side comment, I am SO PLEASED with the Windows 7 upgrade I did recently on all my PC’s… there are so many things I like that are really useful upgrades from good ‘ol XP. It has really begun to close some usability gaps to my MACs)
Android vs. iPhone: Google recently gave me an android, and I must say I am very impressed. It is not as easy to figure out as the iPhone is, but it’s a brand new product, so I am sure it will get even better as new versions come out.
JJ….. why are you now posting about Android vs. iPhone? I thought your religious issue was with the MAC… So, are you inferring that it is all products from Apple that are bad? I am totally 100% to blindly follow your evangelizing, I am just trying to make sure I understand and don’t get this wrong. I look up to you to know who and what I should hate.
Commodore Kid: hahahahaha….. now THAT was funny!
Was a windows user? Switched to Mac because it looks great, however, the software is not compatible with 99% of Internet sites and you have to download a billion plug-in’s to run a program.
Furthermore, what’s with the deleting issue? Installed Divx 7 and have been trying to deleted it ever since. I have downloaded programs but still no help. Now I need to reformat in order to fix the problem. Apple needs to address the deleting software issue.
Moody, if you are having problems with 99% of Internet sites, it looks like using a MAC does present challenges that are indeed above you capabilities.
Thats a shame because on of those really good sites is Google where you can search on an issue like your Divx issue, where you would learn that many have used CleanApp. They had to get rid of that app with the free utility (downloadable from Apple’s site) because the developer of Divx did a sloppy port to unix (MAC OS) and did not include any uninstall capabilities.
hahahaha and you were going to reformat your hard drive and blame Apple.
@Moody
Wow. Very confused by your comment. What kind of sites are you visiting that you have to constantly keep downloading plugins? You seem to be the only Mac user here that’s having a bad experience surfing the web.
Personally, I think this article is terribly biased. In my opinion Macs are great for what they do, and I never once had any problems with my Mac that you described in your article; even though I’ve only had a Mac for less than six months when I moved from Windows Vista (*shudders*) to Mac Os X 10.5 last summer. They are expensive, but then again “You get what you pay for.” Windows computers are Okay, except they are extremely annoying and difficult to use and I especially hate when I’m taking notes in school on their Dell boxes and the “blue screen of death” pops up on the screen; and the only application I’m running is MS Word, and I lose all my notes too!
Gotta love the sheer amount of zealotry the Apple fanbase brings. I wonder if you would have gotten more comments from an anti-religious post than this one.
GO GO APPLE ONLINE DEFENSE FORCE!
fanboys will be fanboys be them mac fags or windows needs.
and a shout out to linux crowd
as for the mac fanboys have fun with your DRM
oh and running a 32bit kernel on 64bit hardware not so good
i may be wrong but didnt apple own adobe at one time
intel chip, nvidia card, western digital HD sounds more like a pc so mac = pc?
and the “it just works” crowd, no it doesn’t macfixit.com or any other number of mac forums for repair and trouble shooting
as for the virus and malware 90% of the world runs on windows OS, so if your a hackers that wants to do damage to computers what do you target the large pc base or the small mac base?
apple choose to market the mac and ipod,iphone,etc. as a life style form over function, hence the hipsters and arty types buying in there way of thinking.
multimedia…..do you mean watching movies and listing to music… or editing movies and mixing sound tracks…..then it comes down to brand of software or what is your favorite pizza topping. pc and mac both play music and movies, for those who edit movies and music that dont do it for a living windows can do it just as well as mac, and the professional that do multimedia sony acid and photoshop run on both.
and why are mac so much more in price? a smaller market maybe? or that your paying for name brand much like at the super market you can pay more for the name brand or much less for the no frills plain packaging one thats the same.
as for mac osx vs windows os. we use what is comfortable to us. when win xp came out it was different to use as was vista
software for windows will always be better because it is the market dominate, apple is paranoid over and apps for it that they cant control (DRM).and this brings us back to large windows base or the smaller mac base, if you are looking to make money with your software what base would you target?
and most pc base other then office base are gamers
as for firewire…eh good luck
http://www.techiesouls.com/2008/12/03/usb-30-vs-firewire-3200/
hardware is hardware its all made in japan then assembled in china then sold every where.
and we come back to cost mac osx is cheaper because it is not ment to be put on a pc….unless you know how http://osx86.thefreesuite.com/
windows cost more because you can install it on any pc or a mac
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/01/23/installing-windows-7-on-a-mac/
but lets face it who wants to run out and buy a mac to put windows on it when you can build a pc with more balls under the hood then a mac for the same price. so buy a top of the line pc the put osx on it?
lets not forget the pirated copies of windows out there, very easy to crack (and osx is pirated as well)
DRM DRM DRM if your a fan of freedom and privacy then dont go apple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management (for the fanboys who dont know)
and yes linux is better then mac or windows if you know what your doing, if you dont want to learn commands go with windows for all the software ,freeware ,and games you can want. if you dont know a computer from your own ass and have an IQ lower then room temperature, get a mac.
as for the zealot mac fanboys out there, the more you bash and name call the more you add to the fact you are buying in to the lies of apple that tech is a life style.
but alas you will name call and bash with out supporting your statements with facts that are not marketing gimmicks. some of you will have valid arguments and support your facts, i applaud you for that.
and fanboys i have this to say, “i tried to see the world from your point of view, but i couldn’t get my head that my head that far up my ass”
http://www.friendsoffoamy.com/videos/forum-bore-em-episode-164
JJ stay strong….
now let the fanboy bashing began and see who’s e-dick is bigger
peace
Technolust:
You have made some good points, and I’ll bet you would have written a fairly decent article, had you written it. But you didn’t, JJ did — and he did a very poor job of it. And yet you seem to be supporting an author who created an a article based on sensationalism, and is clearly factually inaccurate, and very sloppy work. I think your smarter than that…. Hehe, you even debunked significant parts of his article.
Then through the comments, JJ demonstrated an inability to take on or acknowledge any feedback, and clung to his position like some kind of weird zealot. Making fun of him was just too easy, and it just became too much fun, and the whole thing kinda snowballed. Mac users, Windows users and Linux users all chipped in on the fun….
…BTW, I loved your forum boredom link!!! It kinda directly makes fun of JJ, with the comments about intolerance of opposing views, but its still pretty good.
One point you made that I really wanted to amplify was, “it comes down to brand of software or what is your favorite pizza topping” —>> this gets close to the real issue when picking an OS or platform…. “What are you trying to do?” Its all about the application and ultimately your objectives…. then platform/OS follows…. they are tools, not religions….. …and as the saying goes, you want to “pick the right tool for the job”
Bob
JJ is so much a tool…………
He need a hammer on his head from a tall building.
That again will only develop into another error message,
my wintel pc is out for day..
Another great example of Steve Job’s snobby bitching:
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/googles-dont-be-evil-mantra-is-bullshit-adobe-is-lazy-apples-steve-jobs
Calls Google evil, Adobe lazy, and continues to refuse supporting Adobe Flash technology on both the iPhone and iPad, one of the most necessary internet plugins in the world. Anyone surprised?…
JJ, you mean surprised your such a dumbass? no.
try fact checking and removing lies from your articles before posting them jj. thanks.
WHO CARES? I guess JJ did, lol
I think that JJ has had Windows crash too many times, so he takes his frustration out on Apple and complains about how crappy they are.
My question to JJ, and everyone for that manner, why do you care so much about whether OSX is better or Windows? lol… Silly Mac Zealots and Windows Nerds…
I’m 70% sure I’m going to run Windows 7 with Boot Camp on my MBP. My work flow is going to improve I’m afraid.
This article is somewhat true, but there are few more options on the dreaded right click than presented here. Now it is clear that Apple only grudgingly accepts the existence of it considering it’s stepchild status in the corner of the trackpad.
Oh, and good luck being productive if you use multi-monitors. The GUI was designed in the early 80’s. The menu always at the top is horribly inefficient in a multi-monitor setup, and a relic of low-res monitors.
(10.6.2 used below)
OSX vs XP (OSX wins pretty easily)
OSX vs Vista (overall a qualified tie – depending on what you compare)
OSX vs Windows7 (Win7 wins – It is truly slick – Registry concept still sucks tho
And by the way, my cursor has literally disappeared twice in two days coming out of sleep on my MBP 15″. Reboot was the only way to get it back. Anyone saying Macs are flawless are lying. I have a MBP and Win7 laptops.
The fact is that OS X is long in the tooth and Win7 has bypassed it, but don’t take my word for it, the market will prove me right.
jj is an antimac fanboy. it’s the same thing as being a mac fanboy. see binary opposition.
he’s also a fanboy fanboy. it’s a category of fanboys who like to use the word fanboy. in other words, only fanboys use the word fanboy. also, only hipsters use the word hipster.
also, he hasn’t considered thinking outside of his own demographic. mac simply isn’t targeting their products to whiney online journalists who penny pinch and posture idealisms about tweaking linux, buying separate components, and having superior consumer opinions.
well, maybe the last one, and that’s where apple is pulling him in, making him irritable that he can’t afford a product so well designed for his desire.
but he is still giving us value here. he opened up an old, outdated argument and let us punish his ignorant ass with all of our hate, apathy, and underused entitlement to being on the high side of condescension.
hahahaha…. I am now a charlie fanboy. charlie, you crack me up! you win best post ever…
“he’s also a fanboy fanboy. it’s a category of fanboys who like to use the word fanboy. in other words, only fanboys use the word fanboy. also, only hipsters use the word hipster.”
i laughed so hard at that, i blew milk out of my nose. and i wasn’t even drinking milk at the time.
and as for the value? seriously, and speaking for myself, i have to admit your right on that one too.
thanks for making my day….
I work for an IT company….I’m really thankful for Windows. It’s instability keeps us in business.
I use a Macbook at home.
I own a mac and find many of these reasons false. Maybe, you just never used a mac.
I am sooooo sick of this argument. I see it on slashdot, and everywhere else. You use what works for you.
The only valid point in the posts (the article itself was just flamebait) is the DRM and price on the apples.
Haven’t used an apple in years simply due to both of those points. Too expensive and locked down.
And wtf do you people do with your windows machines that constantly get the bsd? I have only seen it twice in the last 7 years or so. both were the result of my being bad and installing an untrusted program. My vista machine works great and has been arm mounted in my semi for two years now with no crashes and runs 14 hrs a day. internet, gps, gaming etc.
fyi it is a gateway fx. dont get all worked up now on the gateway sux thing. A fellow trucker I know bought a toshiba with the same stats about a month before I did and its been in the shop twice now for major work.
The only reason I dont use linux is I didnt care for it years ago and have not tried the newer versions. Didnt care for all the command line commands in the older versions.
All of the os versions, MS, APPLE, LINUX and the few others are good for their intended purposes. after that it is personal taste.
All this crybaby whining and inability to use words with more than four letters gets old real fast.
And my generation put a man on the moon with less power than a netbook. I believe that was UNIX based.
Use what you like and quit the trash talk. No one takes someone seriously who cant write an intelligent, informed response.
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It’s not that life is so short. It’s just that your dead for so long
JJ = Justa Jerk
PC & Mac rule equally yet differently.
Can someone not kill this pathetic article, if JJ wants to carry this drivel on why doesn’t he go to a site dedicated to this crap, at least there he’ll have to come up with properly thought out statements rather than this garbage
wow get real i am on a mac right now and look wow i just right clicked there are settings you can change to get these simple features, its what you do when you personalize your computer and macs are way better than pc’s when it comes to viruses, every pc i have owned has had 1 in one point in time and my mac is yet to get them. i think you need to acctually get a mac or look at one first before you start making all these accusations and comments about something that is totally and to the max untrue
First off, I want to preface this reply by saying that I don’t really care what computer you own: Mac or PC, find something that works for you in your price range and don’t get caught up in the hype one way or the other. That being said, JJ you are DEAD ON with what you wrote in this article. The only reason the majority of people buy Macs (and iPhones for that matter) is because they are expensive status symbols. Note I said the “majority”, you can’t generalize to everyone. The reason macs have the reputation of being “reliable” and “fast” is because they are generally idiot proof (i.e. locked down and unmodifiable). And I’ll agree that’s a good thing for the majority of users.
Windows itself isn’t inherently unstable as Apple would like you to believe, its that people run literally millions of different third party applications on their PCs that simply aren’t available for Apple, and issues with the third party programs can cause the instability. I’ve been using Windows for 18 years, from version 3.11 to Windows 7 (including two Vista machines) and I have never had a problem with crashing or instability, or viruses for that matter. I’m no IT expert by any stretch but any semi-computer literate individual will realize that if you minimize the amount of programs you have running in the background, don’t open strange e-mail attachments, don’t try to download free porn and free movies from strange sites, and have any semi-decent antivirus running (many of which you can get for FREE) your PCs performance will be amazing.
Also, and this is so simple when you think about it, the reason Apple has such a good reputation for quality is that Apple has no budget or economy line of computers!!! The vast majority of consumer electronics stores only carry generally lower end, lower quality desktops and laptops because the people that shop there only care about finding a good price! These lower end machines obviously won’t have the performance of even the lowest end Apple because the Apple machines are priced at a higher price point and have more powerful hardware. So, you can’t compare Apples (pun intended!!) and oranges. That being said, Macs are still overpriced: if you spent as much as you spent on a Mac on a PC, you will get a much more capable machine. This cannot be argued.
Also for those that say “who needs HDMI” – if you want to watch movies downloaded from iTunes on your TV, oh wait you can’t burn them to disc, you’re pretty much hooped. DVI is great, but it doesn’t give you any audio and neither does the overpriced HDMI adapter from Apple.
And for all of those who say “well you’ve never used an Apple”: I’m typing this on my personal MacBook and I can say that its really nothing special. I don’t like the OS even though it is fast. I don’t like the glass screen, the glare is incredibly annoying. The overall design and form factor is great, but I want a computer not an ornament. It was pricey, overpriced in my opinion. My next computer will definitely be a PC, probably a business class laptop.
You should not have written this, it only shows how biased you’re. Different people favor different things. Window and others are good in certain ways, and so do mac.
Yes, it’s not good in playing game, but for graphic design and doing work, i do think that mac could do it pretty fast, (again this depends on ppl). You could not possibly judge everything based on your thought and majority. Nothing is perfect and so is your opinions. When you want to write something, write a reliable one and not just one-sided. Cuz it would just decrease your credibility…
JJ,
After reading your post and your comments, the only self-righteous obnoxious douchebag I see here is you. If you want to write about why Mac sucks, at least do your research beforehand (like this guy in his article http://wanderingstan.com/2009-12-11/65-reasons-mac-sucks) so you don’t look like an ignorant ass. Whatever actual facts you did include in the article are either outdated (as in Mac no longer has those issues) or so biased that there is absolutely no credibility left in them anymore.
I would have taken this whole article as a joke, except when I realized how serious you actually were when you replied in the comments. God forbid CollegeTimes actually allowed you to write for them, you’re awful.
The very fact all of you apple-lovers that come on here and get so defensive and immediately resort to personal attacks against the author and his opinions only serves to prove and solidify his point even more. It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic that you get so defensive when you’re told that your prized mac, that you were led to believe was the pinnacle of perfection in every way by Apple’s marketing efforts, is, perish the thought, flawed in any way whatsoever. You react like children being told there is no Santa Claus, grow up.
http://gizmodo.com/5468621/has-apple-become-microsoft
“An editorial in today’s Wall Street Journal argues that Apple’s love of strategy has overclouded its passion for products. Is Holman Jenkins right that Apple is the new Microsoft, and iTunes is the new Windows?
Obviously, the companies are so inherently different both culturally and strategically that it’s easy to dismiss Jenkins’ claim out of hand. But there’s at least one strong point here: Apple’s refusal to incorporate Flash may hamper the iPhone’s capabilities, but it forces users to go to iTunes for content they could otherwise get for free on Hulu…”
i have both a mactel mini and a wintel laptop. i find it funny that now that intel actually bought both mac and pc (i think there’s an antirust lawsuit coming here), i’m starting to see a rise in viruses in macs.btw my mac mini wasn’t that expensive: only $500 dollars, and my laptop was $200 cheaper and they both work well. unfortunately i can’t mod my mactel (adding extra ports, a bluray player) like i can do my wintel..not yet anyway.
btw: google has became microsoft, they are now releasing a “cloud os” to compete with microsoft, apple, and linux.
Hey, Mark. Blow Me.
HAHAHAHA…. and I’m a PC user….
Hey, Frank. What me to blow you because no woman will touch you?
HAHAHAHA… and your a moron to boot…
How pathetic
Hey mark. Thanks for making this so easy.
Hey frank, nice try at a comeback. You’re not smart. You’re not clever. You’re not funny. And no, its not that easy. Because if it were you would have a lot more to say than “blow me”. You obviously can’t come up with an intelligent or coherent reply, so I’m gonna smarten up and not waste my time with you anymore.
And for the record macs still suck. Happy valentines day
Mark: Like I said. Thanks for making this so easy….
…..Macs really aren’t that bad. Is it really all that important to have a complicated computer so I can say I’m smarter? haha. Macs are simple. Sometimes less is more
I’ve had my laptop for 2 and half years and it still works just as fast as it was when I got it.
On the other hand, I’ve had my PC for 3 years and it’s the slowest computer I’ve ever had. It takes about 40 seconds to open anything.
Macs are great. Get over it.
@Wow: I do believe the first person to start with personal attacks was JJ himself when he generalize mac users into 2 categories with obvious negative connotations. For me, this is beyond the whole mac vs pc. Hell if JJ could actually muster a decent article or even ONE reason that isn’t so filled with bias and bullshit, I still wouldn’t agree with you, but I’d respect you. But this? He could write an article about “10 reasons why Macs are awesome” for all I care about, and I’d still think he’s a douchebag, not to mention a disgrace to Mac users.
Say if someone wrote an article with 10 reasons why PC sucked that was filled with the same stupidity and personal hatred, would you not be offended? If you’re going to criticize something, at least do your research beforehand so you won’t look like to a total moron. Like I said before, and I’ll say it again, you don’t see people shitting on other articles about why Macs suck, AS LONG AS THEY ARE WELL WRITTEN.
I don’t think Apple is perfect, nor is it anywhere close to it. But in my opinion, for my needs, it sure comes a hell lot closer than PC’s. But comparing macs and PCs is like comparing an apple (the fruit) and an orange. Some like one better than the other, so what, big deal, get over it and stop trying to prove what you obviously can’t.
Macs are definately overpriced, Pc hardware is more up to date, Both Os’ have their good and bad points and people will use whatever works for them… simple!
Myself, Pc hardware, Ubuntu Os.. am happy!
Stupid flamers go screw urselves, Windows > mac 100 times
Top two reasons Apple sucks:
Steve Jobs
Al Gore (on Apple’s Board)
Fucking Commies that want to ruin our way of life
I have an iPhone, jailbroken haha shithead Jobs
And I have a 15″ MBP – no Home, End, Pg Up/Dn keys on a $2500 computer? Outdated Core2 processor, only 2 USB ports, but I love the looks and unibody aluminum chassis. My MSI Wind runs OSX almost as well and has aforementioned keys and 3 USB ports.
Regarding the “great” software that comes on a Mac, I don’t use any of it.
For the record, Windows sucks too. Haven’t used Linux much due to lack of map programs and my website needs Access, but it looks promising.
The bottom line is this:
1) Mac does perform better than PC
2) Mac is much more expensive than PC
3) Key Point: the cost/benefit ratio is disgustingly skewed!!! for the incremental performance advantage of Mac, it is NOT worth doubling of the price!!! period!
so why do people buy Mac???
1) They are NOT tech savvy enough, so they fall for the heavily invested mac propaganda. I do feel sorry for these kids.
2) or They think laptop is a fashion item, carrying a Mac can help them get laid faster. If it has been helping you on that department, that is great! money well spent. But I really doubt. Any supporting argument from Mac users on that?
I had to buy a Mac for film school to do my Final Cut Pro Work at home.
I had two PCs at home. I was a bitter boy. I was not happy that said software was only available on the Mac.
Over time I slowly realized that I had not touched my PC’s in months. That pissed me off because I was a die hard PC guy. So I start them up and spend 4 hours on updates and fixing shit and do nothing by the time I go to bed.
The next day I played some games on my PC but I still had to tweak shit and wound up wasting a whole lot of time on tweaking stuff.
1. Macs are more expensive. (I have done price comparisons on individual parts and they are actually relatively equal in price for the components but they might not be the parts I would choose and they are usually impossible to swap out unless you buy a more expensive tower system)
2. My biggest complaint: PC’s are easier to build from scratch and upgrade, replace things unless they are a laptop in which case you are just as screwed on a PC.
3. You have to get a ridiculously expensive Mac to get one with a 3d card for gaming
Those are the reasons not to buy a Mac
1. OSX is a rock solid stable OS the updates are almost invisible
2. I can leave it running for 2 months straight without a slowdown or a crash.
Apple as a company makes some crap though: Itunes & Ipad for example are far too proprietary. The Iphone is better in other countries where AT&T have not put limits on its use.
3 Intel Macs can run Windows software easily.
Firewire was invented by Sony. Apple pushed to use the technology as a way of keeping their old on video editing at the time.
Saying Mac VS PC is silly. PC is not a company.
OSX vs Windows. OSX is more stable but there is less directly compatible without additional software. (Price wise OSX is low enough that adding most of those additional softwares will not make the OS more expensive than Windows unless you choose a softare that requires an Install of Windows)
OSX vs Linux. Linux is very cheap but it is less intuitive to work on. A little sweat would make linux better. You can run Linux on any Mac or PC though.
Mac vs HP/Dell/Compaq? Mac is a more solid machine
Mac vs home built or high end build? Pretty close on hardware specs. Home built has an advantage as stated above.
Honestly, I don’t give a rats ass what computer someone else uses. I use a PC for games and a mac for everything else. And if anyone gets in my face about it like I should care I do the civilized thing and remove all their teeth with a baseball bat.
The article reads like you never actually used a computer and gathered info from here say. Kind of like a Fox news commentary or something.
@ J.W. Swartz,
You are the best example of a Mac fanboy to date. Thank you.
wat a morron..
I work as a lead technician for a Community college in california. I have more problems with macs than anything else. We have about 4% macs on campus and i spend 80% of my time repairing macs. Mostly 17 inch intel imacs. Updates, applications, constantly needing attention, and i cant mass manage them because they are not compatible with our brand new deployment solution. So from a working mans point of view macs are useless. Try setting up an appointment for repair at the apple store. When i have a problem with my dell, they send someine to my office to fix it. Ask apple to do that!